420 for McKinsey

Dasho Kinley Dorji to Kuensel, last week, defending the government’s decision to hire McKinsey:

I was told that the total amount of money the government spends on consultants in a year is actually more than the amount made public. It’s about what you are getting for what you are paying. We need to define what is too expensive and too cheap.

That we hire too many consultants is common knowledge. But that the government spends more for them than we are led believe is not.

We should be very concerned if we suspect that the government is misleading the public. And we should be doubly concerned if the government uses that very transgression to justify spending even more money to hire even more consultants.

McKinsey is costing us US$ 9.2 million. That’s about 420 million ngultrums.

420 million for 17 McKinsey consultants. But they are not even full-time consultants. Eight of them will work in Bhutan only in the first year. And, five of them will be available only in the second year.

And the remaining four? They, we are told, are “…top leaders at the prime minister’s level who fly in and out of the country.”

Incredible!

Incidentally, the government spends Nu 440 million a month on pay and allowances for the entire public service.

That’s 440 million for the more than 21,000 full-time employees of the government. And that includes all civil servants, ministers, members of parliament, constitutional post holders, local functionaries, and those serving abroad.

Now back to McKinsey. The government is paying them 420 million. That’s a lot of money. Let’s hope that they are worth it. If not, we’ll be forced to shout: “420!”

 

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  1. ACTUALLY it is not about 420 million per se. It is about doing it openly, transparently and informing the nation correctly about it. Lot of the things about this McKinsey remain secret and a mystery: why the contract was given to them, who were their contenders and, what are their plans and why so. All secret. The big question is why pay 420 million to someone to do a job that we can very well do it ourselves?. The bigger question is why so secret?

  2. kenchosum says:

    Yes, yes, and yes!!!!!!!!!!!! shout it out. Why we want to know and how we want to know….. ?

  3. the problem with the DPT govt is that they take decisions without consulting the public and later justify their decisions when there is a public outlash.

    nobody knew about hiring MCkinsey. the govt was silent. only after the media starting writing about it. the DPT came out in public through dasho kinley to clearify it.

    i hope DPT learnt its lessions

  4. And now read this:
    McKinsey never discusses specific client situations and maintains a carefully crafted low-profile external image which protects it from public scrutiny of the results of its involvement, making an assessment of its client base, its success rate, and its profitability difficult. This secrecy also helps conceal McKinsey’s prices (so true!). Client confidentiality is maintained even among former employees, and as a result, journalists and writers have had difficulty developing fully informed accounts of mistakes McKinsey consultants have made. The list of McKinsey’s man made errors, due to their ignorance or sheer arrogance, is a long one for me to write it all down here but a few of the most infamous cases associated with McKinsey directly are as follows:
    1.Enron’s biggest client was McKinsey before it collapsed.
    2.McKinsey consulted Swissair which entered bankruptcy (The Hunter Strategy).
    3.McKinsey was the main client of Kmart and Global Crossing which went bankrupt.
    4.McKinsey recommended AT&T that cellular phones would be a niche market.
    5.McKinsey consulted British railway company Railtrack which collapsed after a series of accidents allegedly after following McKinsey’s advice to reduce spending on infrastructure and return cash to shareholders instead (THAT’S WICKED)
    6.McKinsey worked for the Minneapolis Public Schools where the firm recommended that the district cut high costs such as teacher health care and made many bad recommendations which led teachers to pass a resolution of non-compliance with McKinsey’s study.
    7.McKinsey pleaded guilty in January 2009 to the charge of accepting USD$1.8 million to provide the New York based hedge fund Galleon Group with inside information (CAN WE TRUST THEM TOO? WHO GARAUNTEES THAT MCKINSEY WILL NOT PASS OUT OUR INTERNAL INFORMATION TO CHINA, NEPAL, INDIA OR EVEN THE TERRORISTS IN JHAPA CAMPS?).
    8.McKinsey was convicted of developing controversial car insurance company practices to avoid paying claims involving a soft tissue injury because these types of injuries are hard to verify by X-ray or other common examination methods other than surgery.
    9.McKinsey is a named defendant in Hurricane Katrina litigation.
    10.McKinsey is accused of being the “architect” of sweeping changes in the insurance industry starting in the 1980s. The suit alleges McKinsey advised insurers to stop ‘premium leakage’ by undervaluing claims using the tactics of deny, delay, and defend.
    11. Former British Prime Minister Tony Blair faced criticism for hiring McKinsey to consult on the restructuring of the Cabinet Office. A top civil servant described McKinsey as “people who come in and use PowerPoint to state the bleeding obvious”.
    12. McKinsey’s “Vision Mumbai” which will transform Mumbai into a sparkling world-class city has been fiercely criticized because it proposed mass housing to be built on an ecologically fragile land (McKinsey hoped that the contract of building on such a fragile land will be given to another company which is McKinsey’s client).

  5. Thinley Penjore says:

    I wonder why such a huge contract, both in terms of finance & importance is not properly debated in the country’s parliament which is the highest decision making body.
    No wonder, I smell some rotten fish in this business (hide & seek business). Also, I am wondering how such big amount 420 million Ngultrum doesn’t have to be reflected in the tenth five year plan budget. Is it also something like the CDG?

  6. Pema wangchuk says:

    Tanba, you forgot to mention that McKinsey has been thrown out of Philippines for doing such a bad job and they were replaced by another consulting firm.

    I also smell something wrong in their hiring, no competitive bidding, many of the executive orders issued by the PM under the advice of McKinsey are kept secretive, and is it possible that someone, someone at the very top level in government is getting a huge kickback from the hiring of McKinsey? Too much discretion corrupts, and this smells like one.

  7. Honorable OL must file an investigation to the ACC and find out who benefited from this bizarre deal the most:our country at large or a few people in the government? I have a serious doubt and when I doubt I am always right. Pema Wangchuk is suspicious. All people in the country in every walks of life are asking the same question: why is McKinsey here for so much for so little? PDP or DPT, in the end, it is our country, our motherland,and all people are skeptical about this McKinsey. And we have the right to know.ACC must suspend all the government transaction with McKinsey immediately before any further damage is done to the country.ACC must urgently investigate and show it to the public what this government is really up to.
    On the other hand, I think our people should boycott McKinsey and do not comply with all its plans and policies. Our contractors have disapproved of them. They have showed the McKinsey that they can build our homes,buildings and roads very well on their own. Now let us remind them that we can manage our own household chores without any foreign interference very well too. Let us make it clear to them that this is our country and not their money-hungry business-oriented company. Let us also remind our “wise” prime minister that this is our tax money, our country’s money and not his personal savings. There is a saying ‘wise men pretend to be fools while fools think they are wise’. I can’t help but wonder if our supposedly ‘wise’ PM is playing a fool here for some sneaky personal profit. He knows it very well that nobody has the right to spend our country’s money, even a “shhiki”, without rightly informing the public and having their consents. The finance minister and, therefore the prime minister, never informed our parliament about McKinsey. This clearly shows that he is intentionally playing a fool or perhaps he’s become so tyrannical that he lost the decency to even inform our parliament about McKinsey. He thinks he can sidestep the parliament, brain wash the few ministers in the cabinet and do whatever he likes. This is disgusting. This is “our” country and we can’t let that happen. Let’s boycott McKinsey. Let’s spread the word.
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  8. I have a mind to counter the comments here but it is apparent that people do not have an inkling of what is happening.

    Does it have to do something with the depletion of the ozone layer? How did the Bhutanese people get to be so damn DUMB! Or is it because it does not cost anything to say whatever one feels like – on a subject one is so totally clueless about? Don’t you guys know that the best way to hide your dumbness is to shut up? Because the moment you squeak even a word, your shallowness comes through and exposes you for the loud-mouthed, ill informed, imbecile that you are.

    Since you don’t seem to understand what forces are at play, listen to the OL. Let McKinsey do their stuff and, if at the end of their contract period they haven’t delivered what they are paid to deliver, then, as OL suggested, you can join him in shouting “Charso Biss”.

  9. Pema wangchuk says:

    Guest, I am not against McKinsey. Many of us are against the PM not follwing the set procedures – no tender, no competitive bidding. Which theoretically gives the PM to take huge kickbacks on this contract for the cash-trapped DPT, why otherwise, not follow procedures? Just like raising the salaries of MPs so that the 10% compulsory contribution of the MPs to the party raises the fund for the party? Are we all nincompops that we do not see 2 + 2 equals 4?

  10. Dear Pema
    I apologize for the outburst – but I simply could not contain myself.

    Tell me Pema, do you hold the PM solely responsible for employing the consultants? Is it entirely his decision? Will you give the man a break, please?

    I have no doubt that like most of us who take time to comment on issues, you too want something good for the country and is not given to saying things simply because you have the luxury of hiding behind the mask of anonymity to say irresponsible things. I think you should be old enough to know that things are not as simple as 1,2, 3.

  11. After reading so many posts by OL which are mostly (about 99%) anti government, i am all for electing him as the next PM (me and my folks will vote for his party (PDP or the new one).it would be really interesting to see what he’s do.meanwhile we save every post of his to remind him in case he forgets or the archive.org has already done that for us.
    it would also be interesting to read comments by Tangba and his arch rival Mediawatch(TR?) then.what do you say readers?

  12. Why there is need to call it “Mckinsey Reforms” for a soveriegn country like Bhutan. Can’t it be Government’s reform intiatives? or something else. Mckinsey is overshadowing the country wow. A consultancy firm overshadowing the government? Never heard of such a thing!

  13. We all know how things work in Bhutan. We are good at penalising our national contractors & consultants taking very minimal contract value (not 420 million) if they fail to complete the work on time and if they make very slight/neglible variation in the specifications. All the institutions like ACC, RAA, SQCA, etc. will be after our pitty national contractors/consultants because they have not backings and influence.
    Today, when the whole nation is crying and appealing the government to take action against this foreign consultant Mckinsey, no one seems to give damn. What is really wrong and what is the real motive, no body knows. And, how can the concerned people of Bhutan know this is now more important?
    There is only one people, the OL who has the courage to speak the issue against the government and we would appreciate if this matter be discussed in coming NA for the interest and benefit of blind folded citizens of Bhutan.

  14. Honourable OL,

    Why are you running after money all the times. You don’t have other works to highlight, you seems to bring the same topic all the times whenever government try to update the status of McKinsey services. For a moment try to imagine few positives changes brought by McKinsey. It seems to me that you don’t even know how consultancy services work, it does not depent on number of people working here, rather it depend on the number of expertise who guides their field workers from their office.

    I may be wrong, but from my understanding government doesn’t work on profit and loss account. It rather works on delivery of goods and services to the needy.

  15. Guest: You “ACT” like a very responsible person, but what do you mean by “Let McKinsey do their stuff and, if at the end… they haven’t delivered …. then, as OL suggested, you can join him in shouting Charso Biss”?

    By then McKinsey would have left the country and your post here would say “no point crying over spilled milk.” Do you even understand the value of NU. 420M or is it just a number as it is not coming out of your personal pocket? The government can’t go on with such irresponsible spending of the people’s money.

    Of course the buck stops with the PM as he is the head of the government and he makes the final decision. On a second thought, you never know, he may pass the buck to the civil servants like passing the buck to GYT in case of CDG.

    Guest, Nu. 420 million is not a joke for a country like Bhutan. Look at the lost opportunity cost. What lasting difference it can make if we spend this amount to uplift our people living in desperate poverty in rural areas or if we spend the amount to create job opportunities for our unemployed youth.

    We believe that in a democracy the government is answerable to the people. We also believe that our Kings, the nation, and the people opted for democracy, not for the Chinese system.

  16. OL Dear,

    Can we ve’ something on shortage of text books in Tendu HSS?

    We all ve’ been discussin BIG on CDGs, Mckinsey, Power projects?? Fine……

    Is something not seriously wrong when a school does not have a text book????

    To simplify, just suppose your son/daughter is one of the students in TENDU HSS now in grade 11(science)……….

    WHAT WOULD YOU DO?????????

    WHAT WOULD the MPs do?

    WHAT WOULD THE EDU MINISTER HIMSELF VE’ DONE?

    what would anyone who is reading this would do for that matter????

    I beg your pardon but I just feel this is extremely neglected by MOE!!!!!!!!!!

  17. Guys

    What the government should do is give that 420 million to His Majesty’s relief fund and get advice from their majesty the two kings on how to run the country

  18. Dear Karma 1,

    I do like to think that I am a responsible person – both in my calling as well as in my thoughts and actions. And, given that I am a responsible person, I would to be cautious and mindful of what I am saying and doing. One of the things I do not do, as a responsible person is, arrive at premature conclusions. I believe that everything has to be allowed to run its course before one draws a conclusion. You cannot act the soothsayer and say that McKinsey will sink this country. That is being uneducated and preemptive.

    Tell me Karma 1, where is the sense in you and me to going on a blitzkrieg simply because the OL drops a vague hint of a probable failure sometime in the future? You cannot be so naïve as to believe that the OL will have anything good or encouraging to say about the DPT government. For Pete’s sake, DPT is the Opposition of the PDP. Do you think the OL will break into a tango and frolic with mirth and glee every time DPT does something meaningful and progressive? No way! By necessity, the OL and his PDP will attempt to paint the bleakest picture about whatever the DPT does. The very survival and, even a probable victory for the PDP in the next election, will depend on how effectively the OL can kick up a ruckus on each and every thing the DPT does. It is not even an issue of ideology – it is political expediency to do so. It is sad but – sigh! – welcome to the real world!

    Dear Karma 1, the fear of failure and dread of making mistakes cannot cause us to falter in our quest for a better life and future for ourselves and our children. Mistakes are costly but they also act as beacons of direction in our future endeavors. Therefore, mistakes are meaningful – as long as we are willing to learn a lesson from it. We have made many mistakes in the past but each of those mistakes has made us wiser and more able. So trust me, I will not post a comment here saying that “there is no use crying over the spilt milk”. I will write instead, if I have to, saying that there was never a doubt about the nobility of the government’s intensions.

    Talking of mistakes, I could give you few examples of very costly mistakes that were committed in recent times. But I won’t since I do not intend to open the Pandora’s Box. That would be irresponsible. Suffice to say that those mistakes, however costly, were made with the very best intensions at heart. For me, that is more than indemnification.

    It is always not fair to say that the buck stops with the PM solely for the reason that he is the head of the government. Have you considered the possibility that it may not be his decision to rope in McKinsey? And, in any event, in a democracy, “final decision” as you put it, are arrived at through a consensus and not simply because the PM wills it.

    We are going through a period of great confusion and misapprehension and this situation is likely to persist for a while. Each of us, at our individual level, can help by being a little patient and tolerant about things about which, most often, we have no understanding about. Let us stop this tendency to shoot off the mouth simply because it has suddenly become fashionable to say whatever one pleases, just because we are now a Constitutional Monarchy which, yet again, true to form, is being confused for Constitutional Democracy!

  19. Dear Guest: Yes, I believe you like to think or pretend to be a responsible person. But I would rather be more concerned and mindful of our people’s Nu. 420M being unnecessarily wasted rather than having blind faith in a foreign consultancy firm that has no long term interest in the well being of my nation.

    You mentioned that everything has to be allowed to run its course before one draws a conclusion, but as I mentioned earlier, by then it’ll be too late and McKinsey would have left the country. Moreover, looks like there is barely a year left of McKinsey’s contract. So by now, we should be able to see some tangible results. And I believe it’s a common sense for any reasonable person to suspect that there is something wrong when everything between McKinsey and the government is kept a top secret.

    Because of my comments concerning McKinsey, you have mentioned that I am being uneducated and preemptive. Well, this throws a spotlight on who you really are. It’s obvious that you have some vested interest in protecting McKinsey and the present government.

    It’s not only our fundamental right but also our responsibility to hold the government and McKinsey accountable for all their actions and inactions that affect our lives and the future of our nation.

    Please leave DPT and PDP aside. I have no interest in party politics at this time. This is the time for the elected government to deliver on their promises. And I believe the OL is doing his job quite well, against all odds. People are getting tired of the DPT MPs and the DPT government’s arrogance and greed. There is no need for you to try and influence our thinking by politicizing this discussion. We know DPT is the opposite of PDP. But we also have the intelligence to know if the OL is being honest. We live in a small society and we know what’s going on. If OL is painting a bleak picture of whatever the DPT does, why is the DPT silent? After all, all the resources of the nation are in the hands of the DPT government, and even the media is in their control. So, let the people know what’s going on. But let’s be honest, and let’s not have more empty words. Two years have already gone, and it’s time for DPT to walk the walk!

    You have also mentioned that the OL will not mention about DPT’s meaningful and progressive accomplishments. Well if that’s the case, why don’t you enlighten us? What have the DPT government done so far? They have wasted almost two years of National Assembly sessions just talking about the MPs pay revision, perks and benefits. And I can’t believe that they want to talk more about it during the next NA session. What have they done to help our poor people during the national emergency caused by floods, fires, windstorms, and earthquakes? Instead of wasting hundreds and hundreds of millions of the people’s money on CDG and McKinsey, they could have made a real difference by helping 30+% of our people living in desperate poverty, hundreds and thousands of our unemployed youth, and hundreds of families suffering from last year’s earthquakes. And what about the Education City, MPs and ministers’ excavators and trucks at Punatsangchu project, etc.? Government should be creating opportunities for the people, not grabbing them from the people.

    So Guest, enlighten us and educate us.

    You have mentioned that you don’t want to share and let the people know about some costly mistakes the government has committed. Is that how an honest and a responsible person behave? If you want our nation to move forward, you should let the people know and hold the government accountable, so that such costly mistakes are not repeated in future.

    Because of government’s bad decisions like CDG, MPs pay hike, banning of BBS telecast of NA sessions, DPT party workers involvement in LG, Midterm review of 10th Plan by the politicians, etc., I can’t trust the government anymore. I also can’t trust their intention anymore – after all the government is run by the politicians.

    Guest, without active engagement of our educated citizens, our democracy will not succeed. Without effective checks and balances to the government we’ll not have democracy. Public engagement and debate are of fundamental importance, and if the government allows proper public discussion and debate on important issues that involves millions of people’s limited money, costly mistakes can be avoided.

    Given the prevailing situation, I think we’ll be stuck with DPT for a long time if not forever. As responsible citizens, we must ask tough questions, demand transparency and accountability, provide checks and balances outside the Parliament, ensure independence and freedom of press, and make sure that the government does not ignore our poor fellow citizens in rural areas. That way, even if we are stuck with DPT for a long time, we’ll at least have a responsible government – a government that is “for” the people.

  20. Pema wangchuk says:

    Thanks Karma1. You have echoed my thoughts, and I implore guest to listen to his inner voice and do what is best for the future of this country.

  21. Dear Karma 1,

    I wonder if I will ever make sense to you. Regardless, let me try once again.

    People’s Nu.420M being unnecessarily wasted: How have you arrived at the conclusion that the money being paid to McKinsey is wasted? Aren’t you being presumptuous? The least you can do, if you are educated, is to wait for the results to come in before you pass a verdict. What the OL wrote is mere conjecture and not a definite statement. You, on the other hand, have decided that the whole thing is a miserable failure. How are you qualified to pass such a verdict, prematurely?

    Blind faith in a foreign consultancy firm that has no long term interest in the well being of my nation: This is a stupid argument. Surely you are not implying that Bhutan is paying Nu.420.00 million to a consultancy firm whom we do not trust will do a good job? McKinsey may not have any long term interest in the well being of Bhutan – I agree with you there. However, trust me, to McKinsey, even more than the well being of Bhutan, their reputation is important. Therefore, you can be sure that they will try their damndest to do a good job. They cannot afford to have their reputation sullied.

    And I believe it’s a common sense for any reasonable person to suspect that there is something wrong when everything between McKinsey and the government is kept a top secret: You think so? Hello, where have you been? If you must know the truth, the McKinsey consultants are constantly on our backs, so much so that it has become a real pain. I wish they would let up! And you talk of being secretive?

    So by now, we should be able to see some tangible results: McKinsey is not here to implement things. Implementation is our job so if there is any tangible results you want to see, we the Bhutanese will have to start implementing or creating enabling conditions to implement the recommendations. By the way, do you expect to see results so soon; like the Indians would say: chaat mangni pat shadi? You have to be kidding or you simply have no idea. These are long term planning and it will take time to bring the recommendations to fruition.

    It’s obvious that you have some vested interest in protecting McKinsey and the present government: I do have a vested interest in protecting the present government and McKinsey. The government because in electing them we have placed our faith on them and their capabilities and, having done that, it is now important that we give them the space and the support to enable them to do their job without having to worry about some silly people making shallow proclamations prematurely. McKinsey because they are taking a lot of our money and, thus, cannot be allowed to be distracted by doomsday soothsayers who cannot see beyond their noses making a lot of uneducated assumptions and hypothesis.

    It’s not only our fundamental right but also our responsibility to hold the government and McKinsey accountable for all their actions: Agreed! However, we will hold them responsible at a stage when it is confirmed beyond doubt that they have failed us – not before that.

    Please leave DPT and PDP aside. I have no interest in party politics at this time: Sorry buddy, this issue is raised by the OL and therefore, it is politics: pure and simple. If the issue was raised by you, I would pass it off as a figment of imagination of an uneducated mind of a literate person.

    This is the time for the elected government to deliver on their promises: They are trying, they are trying.

    And I believe the OL is doing his job quite well, against all odds: Indeed! That is why I do not fault him. I accept that he is pretty good at what he is doing. But I do not have to accept everything he says as Kathangdueba truth! I do have an analytical mind of my own.

    People are getting tired of the DPT MPs and the DPT government’s arrogance and greed. There is no need for you to try and influence our thinking by politicizing this discussion: Obviously you have not voted for the DPT but I have, and like you, I too am a little upset that they are not the sparking performers that I had hoped they would be. However, unlike you, I have come to understand why they are not performing as well as they could. Now don’t tell me to explain – I won’t and you won’t understand anyway.

    If OL is painting a bleak picture of whatever the DPT does, why is the DPT silent?: Because, my dear fellow, it is simply impossible to justify to all and sundry. They have better things to do.

    Two years have already gone, and it’s time for DPT to walk the walk!: I think you meant Walk the Talk. They are trying: desperately; but what can they do when their shoes have been yanked off your feet and asked to walk over a perilous road strewn with hot coal? Think about it!

    You have also mentioned that the OL will not mention about DPT’s meaningful and progressive accomplishments. Well if that’s the case, why don’t you enlighten us? What have the DPT government done so far?: I could – but I get the feeling that you are unwilling to listen to reason. You are so taken in by the OL’s musings that all other reasons are none-issues.

    And what about the Education City, MPs and ministers’ excavators and trucks at Punatsangchu project, etc.? Government should be creating opportunities for the people, not grabbing them from the people: What? MPs are not people of Bhutan?

    You have mentioned that you don’t want to share and let the people know about some costly mistakes the government has committed. Is that how an honest and a responsible person behave? If you want our nation to move forward, you should let the people know and hold the government accountable, so that such costly mistakes are not repeated in future: Not all truths are good for your health. Some truths are better left unsaid.

    I can’t trust the government anymore. I also can’t trust their intention anymore – after all the government is run by the politicians: If you cannot trust the present DPT government, you have every right to throw them out of the government and elect a party you can trust – in the next election. At the end of their five year term, if I decide that they have failed to deliver on their promises, I will do the same. Until then, I am duty bound to give support to the government that I have helped to be elected.

    Public engagement and debate are of fundamental importance, and if the government allows proper public discussion and debate on important issues that involves millions of people’s limited money, costly mistakes can be avoided: Isn’t that what is happening? Regardless of whether you are making an iota of sense or not, the government has allowed you to say whatever you have to say. They have not intervened or prevented you from saying your piece or blocked this site to prevent anti-government tirade.

    Given the prevailing situation, I think we’ll be stuck with DPT for a long time if not forever: That is not true. We don’t have to be stuck with the DPT forever. We can choose to elect an alternate party.

    That way, even if we are stuck with DPT for a long time, we’ll at least have a responsible government: What about responsible people with reasonable and realistic expectations? Is it too tough for the people to look at the realities squarely in the face and understand that some things are possible and some are not?

  22. As I said, it is NOT JUST ABOUT 420 MILLION bucks but more importantly, it is about the LACK OF TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY. If the PM had informed the parliament about this deal with McKinsey, demonstrated a clear road map indicating what McKinsey will deliver in the coming years and why, how he will hold McKinsey accountable for not delivering, and how he will be responsible for spending so much of people’s tax money and in the end if he can’t deliver, then people would not have complained so much about it. So much of the deal is so vague: what will McKinsey do? And why? And how? The cost? Can we afford it? Is it worth enough? He deliberately did not inform the parliament and the nation about it and so this is the root of all criticisms.
    Some people still have the old mentality: don’t say a word, whatever the government does is “always” best for the country, let them do it and if they do not deliver, may be that’s because of our own bad karma. Another old mentality is: people thank the government for building roads and schools, establishing BHUs, bringing water and electric supplies to their villages and communities. Why? Isn’t that what’s the government is supposed to do in the first place? Shouldn’t we be asking why they don’t build schools, why they don’t bring roads and establish BHUs where needed instead of thanking them for doing what they are supposed to do? You see, if we want to change, first we must change our mentality. Those old days when the government did something for the people and the people took it as some kind of help or “kidu” is gone. It is not a “kidu” anymore. It is their chief duty. It is the main responsibility of a government to build the infrastructures, develop the country and improve the quality of life of the people. They are paid to do it and they must do it well. There is nothing as helping or not helping. It is all about doing their job or not, doing it rightly or not, doing it transparently and openly, and abiding by the rule of law. We are not criticizing JYT. We are not worshipping this OL. We have nothing to gain or lose by doing so. We must condemn anyone for breaching our constitution, breaking the laws and twisting the rules and regulations. We must denounce any acts of ambiguous acts, corruptions, media interference, behind-the-door deals and lack of transparency in the country. We must protect our Constitution at all times. Most urgently, we must support the “rule of righteousness” in the country. The golden plough of the law (gyalthrim sergi nyashing) must be golden and applicable to everyone in this country without any exception: One nation. One people. One law.

  23. Guest: WOW! What arrogance! You believe that you know everything and that you are the most educated and most knowledgeable person on this earth, don’t you? I can’t match your arrogance, so let the people judge from what we have written.

    I thought if I push you a little more, we might learn some positive things about the DPT government that we are not aware of. But as I suspected you have nothing to show.

    You are right, McKinsey is not here to implement anything. They also don’t have to follow the established rules and procedures. We shouldn’t even ask them any questions, and we can only hold them accountable after they have left the country. Because they have a worldwide reputation and if we ask questions and dig deeper, it might hurt their reputation. As long as we safeguard McKinsey’s reputation and pay them Nu. 420+ million, everything is okay.

    I do have a vested interest in protecting the present government and McKinsey:
    Yes, that’s obvious. You don’t want people to know about DPT’s mistakes and short comings. And you don’t want anybody to raise questions about McKinsey, because you either think government’s wasteful spending on McKinsey will hurt DPT or you are personally gaining from the McKinsey project.

    …who cannot see beyond their noses making a lot of uneducated assumptions and hypothesis:
    I don’t know who is making shallow and uneducated assumptions. Beside your arrogance and trying to shout down my views, you haven’t offered any substance and answers to my questions.

    Because, my dear fellow, it is simply impossible to justify to all and sundry. They have better things to do:
    Like what? Like spending two years talking about their own pay hikes, benefits, and perks while 30% of the nation’s people are struggling in desperate poverty and while hundreds and thousands of people are suffering from devastating earthquakes, floods, fires, and windstorms? Like spending millions on politically motivated and constitutionally questionable CDG while hundreds and thousands of our youth remain unemployed? Like grabbing whatever opportunities comes along from the hydropower projects while our private sector remains without any opportunities. You know there are so many examples but I don’t want to repeat them here.

    I think you meant Walk the Talk:
    Oh, aren’t you so intelligent? But sorry, this uneducated person with illiterate mind meant that DPT has talked the talk and now it’s time to walk the walk.

    They are trying: desperately; but what can they do when their shoes have been yanked off your feet and asked to walk over a perilous road strewn with hot coal? Think about it:
    Are you pointing your dirty fingers to our Kings??? Be careful, buddy!

    But I get the feeling that you are unwilling to listen to reason:
    What reason? That we should allow your McKinsey to loot us? That government can do anything and they don’t even have to follow the constitution? That it’s okay for the rest of the citizens as long as the MPs and ministers get whatever pay, perks and benefits they “want”? That it’s okay for the private sector to suffer as long as the MPs and ministers and their family get all the good business opportunities like mining, trucking, excavation, education city, banking and finance, hotels, and constructions, without following the rules and procedures, and without regard to the conflict of interest. That’s it’s okay for other civil servants and corporate employees as long as the candidates of ministers, MPs and their family get all the good jobs and foreign postings. That it’s okay to undermine our democracy as long as DPT party workers can get involved in LG and as long as the MPs have CDG and the authority to review the government plans and projects even though it means the legislative branch getting involved in the executive branch. That it’s okay to ban BBS telecast of NA sessions, to intimidate and warn the media, and to force journalists to distort the truth and write positive things about the government, even though that undermines our freedom of speech, and media independence and freedom. What reason are you talking about Guest? We are not as blind, as uneducated, and as illiterate as you wish us to be. These are straight forward questions. Give us your honest and straightforward reasons instead of dodging them with vague statements like “you are unwilling to listen to reason,” “some truths are better left unsaid,” etc..

    They have not intervened or prevented you from saying your piece or blocked this site to prevent anti-government tirade:
    Internet is not in any nation’s control. This blog and few online forums are the only platforms where we can express our frustration. But there is nothing much you can do about it. If you try to block this blog and online forums, the international community is not going to keep quiet. Moreover there are many resident international organizations that are not going to keep quiet if you and the government try to block this site.

    If we are to keep quiet and let the government do as they wish. And if we are to judge them only after 5 years, let’s get rid of all the institutions of checks and balances like the ACC, RAA, Opposition Party, ECB, etc. and re-establish them for just couple of months at the end of the elected government’s five year term. That’s the kind of democracy we should have according to our super intelligent and all-knowing Guest. As indicated by the nickname you have chosen and all the hindi saying mentioned in your post, I don’t think you are a Bhutanese. May be you are one of the McKinsey consultants. No wonder you don’t care about the future of this country as long as your company (McKinsey) makes a lot of money and your employer (government) is not held accountable.

    Guest, show us that you have a soul. I am not going to respond to your post until you provide honest answers to the questions I have asked in this and earlier posts. Otherwise whatever you say will hold no water.

  24. Dear Karma 1,

    Now that you have gone to the extent of bringing in the names of our Kings to this discussion, I think it is clear that nothing meaningful can be achieved by engaging with you any further. So here is saying bye to you.

  25. Karma 1: don’t waste your valuable time arguing with a soulless person like Guest. He is no other than Tenzin Rigden (TR) who has sold his soul to the DPT, betraying the principles and integrity of his own profession (media).

    There is a rumor that TR has put together a group of people to shout down any voices of citizens criticizing the actions of the government in online forums and blogs. They are getting paid by the people’s money to attack people like us who are trying to keep the government honest and accountable. All they do is just check online forums and post lies and distorted views against anybody criticizing the government. MediaWatch and Guest are TR himself – the great leader. Of course, to maintain a little credibility, they sometimes post harmless negative comments against the government. They know that otherwise, no one will read their posts.

    What a Shame!

  26. Pema wangchuk says:

    Dear Dorji, if what you say is true fie upon JYT’s government and shame on TR who has sold his soul to the devil himself.

  27. Dorji Drolo says:

    I have been reading patiently the two sides of the argument of Karma 1 and Guest.

    As a neutral person, not knowing anything much about the two political parties and the McKinsey’s business, I am very much convinced by the arguments put forward by Karma 1. Whatever is written by him as lots of substance and carries meaning, I like reading his arguments. On the other hand, Guest was so much on the defensive side and truly he or she must be associated either with the ruling government or McKinsey.

    Thanks to Karma 1 for bringing convincing argument in this forum. I am not sure if anybody from the ruling government is really looking into it. This will help them to re-formulate their failing strategy of the bull dozing way of governance which goes against our sacred constitution given to us by our beloved fourth King.

  28. I agree with Dorji Drolo. I like Karma1’s argument and his point of view. Well,our Guest dear knew that he didn’t have answers to Karma1’s qusetions and so he invented a nice excuse to exit from the forum. I think that’s a good decission.Bye bye Guest. We won’t be missing you.

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