Hejo vs Denchi

Denchi: relatively expensive

About two years ago, I’d written about a group of residents in Hejo, Thimphu. Their land had been taken over by the government. But they had not accepted the government’s compensation for their land. They claimed that the government’s compensation rate – set by the Property Assessment and Valuation Agency, PAVA – was too low. They protested that their land, located adjacent to Thimphu’s dzong and close to the capital’s business center, fetched much higher prices in the market. And they pointed out that even PAVA’s rates were considerably higher for land that is located further away from the center of Thimphu.

The residents of Hejo have still not been able to resolve their case. They agree that the government can acquire their land for “public purpose”. But they know that the Constitution says that the government can do so only “on payment of fair compensation”. And since the current compensation not “fair”, they have been fighting for a better compensation rate.

Further afield, in Denchi, Pema Gatshel, the government has acquired land to develop a new township. But in this case, the government – the cabinet, no less – has granted compensation rates in excess of PAVA’s rates. The cabinet’s approved rate of Nu 9,000 per decimal more than doubles PAVA’s rate, calculated at Nu 3,952.42 per decimal for Denchi. In fact, the cabinet’s rate is 128% more than PAVA’s rate.

It’s obvious that the landowners in Denchi stand to benefit. And what has now become obvious is that a certain Aum Dechen, who happens to be the prime minister’s aunty, stands to benefit the most. She gets a cool Nu 21.60 million for her land. That’s a whopping Nu 12.12 million above PAVA’s rate of Nu 9.48 million.

The residents of Hejo are still fighting for”fair compensation”for their land. But those in distant Denchi have been given more than their fair share – thanks to the cabinet’s intervention.

To resolve the Hejo case, PAVA should revise the compensation rates, as they must, once every three years.

And to resolve the Denchi case, ACC should investigate the cabinet’s involvement for possible corruption.

Photo credit: The Bhutanese

 

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  1. Anyway Denchipa’s are benefited,they r also citizen of Bhutan and they are entitle for kidu.But y cabinet compensated flawing the law of the the land? What is the problems for not being able to follow? Now it is clear y they r eying for HM’s kidu power.Since,excess payment is made flawing the law all cabinet should be held responsible n have to be reimbursed from their own.
    When PM visited Yangtse ( in DYT hall)he was proudly saying after election he has lots of power n that is what he did at Denchi.
    This is one of the dangerous precedent made and i doubt where they land up after completion of their terms.

  2. OL doesn’t want people of the east benefited, that is the whole point. And it is Aunt not Aunty.

  3. When the government wanted some more powers over land issues and mind you, the RGOB never wanted any power over kidu land, which would always remain the prerogative of His Majesty, the OL and the wise members of the NC were the first one’s to object. Looking back, if the government had been given those powers, they could have solved the “Hejo” and other pending land issues, now all of sudden, he is championing the cause of the people of Hejo and then somehow connecting it to the Denchi issue. I only hope that the residents of Hejo know that they are being used by the OL to further his own career

  4. thecommonman says:

    THIS is a serious case of policy corruption and nepotism at the highest level fo the government. It brings out the dirty side of the goings-in in the cabinet. Eventually, the laws/rules have been overstepped and broken. ACC must investigate this case at the soonest possible. We can’t have a crooked bunch of cabinet ministers led by the PM run our country!

  5. Please don’t bring HM into this forum and please don’t try and blame HM for all of DPT problems. DPT is turning into a party of anti-nationals it seems.

    In regard to what fuentsho said PM is doing the opposite. He is grabbing land in Gyelposhing from the poor eastern people and when it comes to his relatives in Pemagatshel he is giving them rates far above the PAVA rate. Equity and Justice is the name of the game.

  6. Dear Guardian,
    You are correct indeed! OL co-related Hejo as to gain political mileage, that is for sure,but gov gave loopholes to relate it at first.Being opposition he will do it.I understand being PM he has lots of work to do but why openly doing wrong.And what is the difference between Hejo and Denchi, where cabinet can flaw law for Denchi and not Hejo?.We are looking very closely since our lands are also verge of acquiring by Kholongchu.

  7. Frustrated Man says:

    The Land Act 2007, chapter 7, clause 148 mandates land substitution in event if the acquired land is the only plot of the land owner. I have been following consistently with National Land Commission since 2008 for substitution, but in vain. The law is clear and all paper works are clear. God knows what is happening. The land is located at Hejo- Green Zone.

  8. Sangey of Haa Wangcha says:

    Thank you opposition leader for highlighting the better compensation rate for Denchi farmers of Pema Gatsel. Being a son of the soil, I wish the amount was more because farm land is everything to farmers. I have supported Hejo land owners much before. In fact I had publicly suggested that if Government lacks monetary resource to pay fair compensation then keep in abeyance the principal cost of land and pay reasonable annual interests to land owners. No national leaders have yet publicly declared that land is not precious to Bhutanese people. The reason for inability to pay better compensation rate was lack of financial resources with the Government.

    Many including I admire the two member opposition party for its feistiness. We are now into the 5th year of democratic governance. So by now you must graduate from being purely opposition leader to a national leader. Bhutanese are still farmers if not in occupation then in their hearts. For a party leader to oppose better deal for farmers is like deserting even the 34% of Bhutanese who is said to have voted for PDP. Be a national leader, hereafter, and demand similar or better deal for farmers.

    There is a difference between party leader and national leader. One just has to look across the border to our neighboring friend India. There are many political parties and party leaders. Yet the largest opposition party BJP does not have a national leader that the party can confidently depict as its Prime Ministerial candidate and the Congress was in no better situation. It had to look up to Dr. Man Mohan Singh who actually is not a politician or a party leader with his own political base. He never contested a parliamentary seat, however, he has the national leadership quality.

    Thank you for clarifying the acronym PAVA. Recently City Officials quoted that and when I asked what it exactly stood for, I was told something to do with DNP rate for land. Again thank you for creating public awareness about many issues.

  9. Frustrated Man,

    The elected government has no powers to solve your problem, it was for that express reason only that they wanted some more say over land issues. The OL and the NC MPs like Sonam Kinga were the ones that shot that proposal down by making it an issue of the DPT usurping the powers of His Majesty, when in reality it was nothing like that.

    So good luck to you and hope you realize that the OL was never really championing your cause and is now using this issue to gain some political mileage out of it.

    And I fully support what Sangay of Haa Wangcha has stated, a better deal for the farmers.

  10. Kalapather says:

    The benefit is proportionate to the land holdings. Naturally Aum Dechen has to get more money than others who has less land. This is a simple logic and politician of OL level has to say this! Sangay of Haa Wacha may like to coach the two Opposition MPS to broaden their perspectives. This is my opinion.

  11. Hi Guardian and Sangay of Haa Wangcha,
    “A better dealfor the farmers” ya!!!I think we have to think thousand times when you quote or say this statement.
    I am neither supporting OL or DPT.But as an ordinary citizen of the country law of the country should be adhered.In this context,PAVA’s rules and regulation should be followed be it cabinet,high class or common people.Today few were benefited by violating PAVA T& C,think of tomorrow as there will come lot of develop activities were people have to be compensated.If PAVA is not followed,Government will pay to the beneficiaries or to execute development work.For benefit of all,let everyone adhere to law of the land.
    God enlighten the stingy,selfish and wealth hunger bunch of people of this GNH land.

  12. The difference between land compensation rate of two places is plain and simple. Hejo owners were asking urban rate in sq.ft, which comes into millions for a equivalent land at Denchi. For Denchi, instead of blaming government, we should celebrate the fact that most landowners (farmers) were compensated properly.

    Cheers

  13. So what is it you want? High rates for Hejo or low rates for Denchi? Or is it that you want it whichever way hits JYT more?

    Central to the debate is that PAVA’s classification of land and compensation rates are flawed. They need to acquire farmlands but they want to pay the minimum. So they categorize it as B when it should be A. They don’t look at the trend and market prices and don’t factor in lands that are phazhi. If phazhi is put in as a criteria for calculation for compensation, I am sure it will reduce speculation.

  14. Tangled are u saying govt should start paying urban rates for rural land.

    Ur talk is similar to NLC verdictwhere Chnag ugyen can grab land in thimphu and get it replaced elsewhere

  15. Hope the verdict on Chang Ugyen’s land grab case in Lubding will be revered as this is laughable. It is a big joke by any standard.

  16. Frustrated Man says:

    Guardian,

    I am not looking at politicians ( or any politician) to solving my problem but definately the elected government/cabinet. Goverment can solve. When they can veto on Denchi, who not for Hejo. As for OL, he is doing his job. And remember, he is just not doing, but excelling.

  17. simple,there can’t be any ups and downs, must stick to the law and go accordingly

  18. Please do not forget that it is not the interest of the land owners to sell their land. A major landowner like Am Dechen can refuse to part with the land and there will be no Demchi town. PAVA only takes into the value of the land as it stands and not the potential of the land once it is identified as a site for developing a town as in the case of Demchi. In case of Hejo, why did the owners wait so long to seek compensation? Why didn’t the governments before the present government settle the claims then? OL, do you have a plot in Hejo?

  19. Frustrated man,

    My take is this, if the land act had been allowed to be amended in the last session of parliament, than it would have allowed the government to allot land substitute to the affected land owners like you at another location in and around Thimphu.

    And, the Denchi and the Hejo cases are completely different, in the former, there is no possibility of land substitution being granted, in the latter, as it is too expensive for the government to provide monetary compensation and while they would like to provide the affected land owners substitute land, they cannot, as they are not allowed to do so by law.

    So as long as this status quo remains, than your best bet is with the OL and the people at the NLC.

  20. If OL tells us what the PAVA rates were for HEJO, maybe we could put things in to proper perspective. Since OL seems reluctant to share this information with us, “frustrated man”, seems to be the logical choice to do the needful.

  21. Phuntso,

    Tangle is saying nothing of that sort, do you mean to say Nu9000 per decimal are urban rates.

  22. Simple logic at play here

    1. PAVA rate applied across country including Hejo

    2. PAVA rate increased by 200 percent by violating govt laws

    3. Main beneficiary is PM’s Aunty who gets Nu 12.12 mn more then she should.

    4. Special rates only for PM’s Aunty

    5. PM’s and Aunty’s relatives and supporters come on OL’s blog to make a fool of themselves

    6. Result will be seen in 2013

  23. Phunstho,

    After 2013 no PDP so no OLs blog, so where will you go and cry.

  24. Frustrated Man says:

    Guardian

    what we fail to understand is-if the cabinet has so much authority over Denchi, I am sure for Hejo too. There is no need to amend. What matters is – connections? We have good connections – everything is possible. Otherwise, It is a sorry state of affairs. I think the issue over here is systemic failure. With systemic failure, what is the use of amending? The rule clearly state fair compensation and substitution in case of being the only plot. Both these places -Hejo and Denchi are acquired or reserved by the government for one or other reason. Land related scams run much deeper.

    PAVA for Hejo is about Nu 80,000/Deci, compared to a few lakhs/market rate, I think. What the remaining owners of Hejo are requesting is to at-least compensate them enough to buy a plot in Thimphu or substitute.

  25. frustrated man,

    I have told you exactly why the cabinet cannot help you in your case, I said that RGOB did not have enough money to compensate all the owners at Hejo and would have been willing to allot substitute land for the affected land owners but the law does not allow them to do so.

    Haha compare Nu80,000 and Nu9000 and than you get the true picture, need I say anything more.

    Like I said earlier, OL and NLC are your last hope.

  26. All land cases are of not the same complexity. Some can easily be solved while it is not so with other cases. Why OL is against Pema Gatshel? Is it because he is from the west? Does PDP not want any representatives from Pema Gatshel? Please, treat all the regions with same attitude.

  27. phuntsho,

    Green Zone – Hejo Land Nu.80,000 per decimal, this is the urban rate in a green zone, now what is Nu.9000 per decimal, is it an urban rate.

  28. Sonam,

    The issue is not of urban or rural rate. For God’s sake, do some maths. The issue here is of the cumulative total.

    The OL’s post is designed to cause mistrust in the government. He is insinuating that because one of the land owners is the PM’s aunt, the town for Pema Gatshel should not be built on the grounds that she will stand to gain monetarily. What a stupid logic.

  29. Prool,

    My maths was to sure Phuntso that Denchi compensation were not urban rates, that’s why the comparison. I very well know the mischief OL is up to.

  30. I think this blog and this issue raised by OL is going to cause ethnic problems and regionalism in Bhutan. We don’t want such politicians and such leaders.

  31. Pema Gatshel is one of the few dzongkhangs which still does not have a dzongkhang capital town. This is because the highly congested dzong along with the existing commercial area was declared unsafe because of geo technical conditions that made it prone to landslides. Shopkeepers were told over 20 years ago not to build permanent structures and were told that a suitable site for the dzong and township would be selected very soon.

    The issue was brought up by its representatives more than two
    decades ago during the 69th session of the National Assembly on 26 March, 1990, urging the government to take a speedy decision and not to deprive the people of this essential facility.
    The question of locating an ideal site became a protracted and contentious issue both at the local government and the national
    level.

    The hunt for an ideal location, however, proved difficult.

    Since 1990 three locations had been identified and rejected.

    The first location identified was Yurung Gewog. Yurung was rejected because it was a very fertile and cultivated land which meant displacement of an entire population especially the farmers. The second one was Prime Minister Lyonchhen Jigmi Y Thinley’s ancestral land – a hill top which belonged to his paternal uncle. This site was rejected since it was on a hill top and had no access to any water source.The third location, Khar Gewog, was also rejected on similar grounds as Yurung.

    His Majesty the Fourth Druk Gyalpo recommended, during the 89th session of the National Assembly on 26 March, 2006, that Denchi is the most suitable site for the new Pema Gatshel town.
    This is because Denchi was the only flat area in the whole of Pema Gatshel, centrally located at the base of the valley and ideal in connecting all the other gewogs. Most importantly,Denchi was very close to a stream and had easy access to perennial water source. Denchi as the new town also involved minimum displacement of population.

    “In obedience to the command of His Majesty the Fourth Druk Gyalpo, Denchi was identified as the place for relocation of the Dzong and town,” states the National Assembly resolution signed on 26 March, 2006.

    Hence, a negotiation with the 26 tharm holders of Denchi was initiated.

    Acquisition of land, however, became a very serious bottleneck in the progress of the township development since the price demanded by some of the thram holders was very high. They had compared to the PAVA approved land prices of Nganglam which was Nu. 9801 per decimal for commercial purpose and Nu. 9770.51 for residential purpose.

    As per the directives of the Cabinet Secretariat on 26 November, 2010 the PAVA task force met on 27 November, 2010 to review the existing rates for Denchi and Nganglam under Pema Gatshel for submission to the Lhengye Zhungtshog.

    Following the deadlock between the government and the thram holders of Denchi and also, as per the instructions of the Cabinet Secretariat, PAVA task force team on 28 December, 2010 submitted and recommended the rates as Nu. 5646.32 per decimal for Class A rural land and Nu. 3952.42 for Class B rural land, as per the current land compensation notification dated 17 April, 2009 enforced with effect from May 2009.

    However, prior to this recommendation by PAVA, the declaration of Thromdes and Boundaries proposed by the Ministry of Works and Human Settlement was approved by the Joint Sitting of the Parliament, in line with Article 1 Section 4 of the Constitution, on 2 July, 2010. In this connection,the proposal for declaration of Class A, Class B and Yenlag Thromdes and boundaries in the different dzongkhangs were approved and thus, Denchi in Shumar gewog of Pema Gatshel was established and declared as a Thromde Category B and NOT Rural Class B as reported by The Bhutanese.

    “The entire 68 members present voted in favor of the proposal on Thromde in each dzongkhag,” sates the Joint Sitting Resolution signed on 14 July, 2010.

    Accordingly, PAVA land compensation rate for urban category as per the current land compensation notification dated 17 April, 2009 fixes the commercial rates for PemaGatshel at Nu. 18905.04 and Nu. 9844.56 as residential rates.
    However, because of the financialconstraints faced by the royal government and majority land holders being a relative of the Prime Minister, land owners were finally persuaded to accept the rate of Nu. 9000 per decimal. The rate was then accepted, very reluctantly, by the other thram holders.

  32. We need to heed Observers warnings before they are too late, at this rate, it won’t be long before there is a “Sharchokpa party”, then the west will retaliate by having a Ngalong party and it is easy for all to see who will win if the great divide actually happens. Surely we don’t want our country to be divided on such ethnic lines do we?

  33. mongar123 says:

    It is time OL stop using The Bhutanese as political mileage….

    Everybody knows what is written in between the lines.

    OL is so desperate to win next election and you will stoop that low…./

  34. Sangay of Haa Wangtsha Says

    Bhutanese are still farmers if not in occupation then in their hearts. For a party leader to oppose better deal for farmers is like deserting even the 34% of Bhutanese who is said to have voted for PDP. Be a national leader, hereafter, and demand similar or better deal for farmer.

    Yes i agree with you but people of Denchi is only considered as bhutanese or people over there are only farmers. If not why only in their case PM and MPs have decided to increase their rate beyond PAVA rate where as in some other parts of bhutan forget of getting better rate they are still not paid with PAVA rate were they lands are aquired for school,hospitals and BHU’s long time back.

    There is a difference between party leader and national leader. One just has to look across the border to our neighboring friend India. There are many political parties and party leaders. Yet the largest opposition party BJP does not have a national leader that the party can confidently depict as its Prime Ministerial candidate and the Congress was in no better situation.

    This is too early for you too justify with regards to Party and National Leader. Given chance any one may be capable of becoming National leader tomorrow forget about OL who is beyond our comment it will only be known after shouldering the responsibility.

  35. Frustrated Man says:

    Aum Dechen owned 23 acres of land in Denchi. I wish she owned a few decimals of land at Hejo too. The thread would not go this long. God SAVE THIS COUNTRY and the WAY PEOPLE THINK AND BEHAVE.

  36. From what has been written thus far in “the Bhutanese” paper, the only lesson that needs to be drawn is:

    “Government must be on guard to defend each and every accusation with facts and figures. The government spokesperson must respond to any serious allegation and pacify general public’s apprehension and doubts”.

    Sensible Bhutanese have no patience to read and digest sensationalism and half baked truth, that if, not vindicated, will disturb the peace and tranquility of Bhutanese society.

    Cheers

  37. Dhenchi land holders should have been paid 18 Million instead of 9 million as per the true rate. I think Tenzin Lamzang and OL are closely following where PM’s relatives are and what they are doing. However, Bhutanese are not fools and they can understand far beyond what they try to do.

  38. PM’s has blatantly lied to the graduates on Denchi, Trowa, Gyepzhing and Education City.

  39. Observer said
    Dhenchi land holders should have been paid 18 Million instead of 9 million as per the true rate. I think Tenzin Lamzang and OL are closely following where PM’s relatives are and what they are doing. However, Bhutanese are not fools and they can understand far beyond what they try to do.

    Yes mr.Observer, This time lyonchen can pay more than 18 millions as he has already voilated the norms but wait and watch he will get reward for that 2013. Reagrding Lamzang and OL that is part of their job even a simple bhutanese has right to shed light here beacuse al he has given is Public and have you ever noticed the economy of our country after 2008. Every time Ban,Crisis and lots and other hand PM and MPS salary raise,Benefits,Change in Quotas. Shame on Them as well as on u for supporting.

  40. jigmi thinley & his sidekicks all have egg on their faces..one corruption story after another after another being exposed by the bhutanese, the only paper that reports with no fear..and all the government can do is try & gag them by denying them government ads..if all the stories were untrue, the arrogant pm would be the first to strike back..but the man is cunning..and he knows he can’t lift a finger at those that tell these stories because they have their proof to back up the stories they do..
    but it’s sad that democracy as our beloved 4th envisioned is the real loser..what with the speaker, chief justice, pm, finance & works ministers named in ongoing corruption inquiries & all losing their chance to contest the next elections & heading in the same direction – to court..& probably jail, too..

  41. Why did HM recently issued a kasho on forming a GNH special group headed by PM? Is it because all corruption cases against PM are true? It’s only OL, TL and a few people who do not have faith in him. Few PDP supporters are desperately trying to undermine and defame the government on baseless grounds. The 2013 elections like any other previous ones will be won by the destined leaders, not by the desperate leaders.

  42. Sempa choyi says:

    Dechi and Hejo are different places. PM wants more vote 2013 where he will not get from Hejo. Denchi was selected to construct dzong keepinaside so many strategic location. There is conflict of interest. OL please mass campaign needed. Pemagatshelpas are foolish

  43. enough_is_enough says:

    I don’t find anything complex with this case.

    This case is straight forward. If there is a law, you follow it whether you are a minister or a villager.

    In this case, I am happy for the people of Denchi that they received more than the PAVA rates, which by the way is always considerably lower than the market rate. But what is regretful is, the cabinet wrongfully bypassed the process in awarding a higher price for the land than prescribed by PAVA.

    Whether any of the land owners are related to the PM or not should not matter. If the cabinet feels the PAVA rates are low, they should amend it. If they are going decide how much to pay, just like that, they may as well scrap the whole PAVA thing. Why have it in the first place?

    What they did is only going to make the people lose trust in the government, even if the intentions were good.

    The Bhutanese or the OL should not be criticized for bringing this out to the public, the government has only themselves to blame.

    I only wished the government/cabinet was more careful and mindful of all the laws that are in place.

  44. enough_is_enough wrote” The Bhutanese or the OL should not be criticized “

    enough_is_enough,

    We would not have criticized both the OL and TL’s theBhutanese, if they had done the fair reporting and talked about the larger people’s real issues plaguing the nation currently rather than nitpicking on such select political issues.

    Amongst others, to me, one that merit the public’s attention surrounds on the present day strong nexus between the RCSC and the top bureaucrats which has been sucking the nation’s exchequer dearly and making people’s life difficult – as one good case in point worth bringing to surface for public discourse.

    But, the indication has it that we are no where closer to seeing this real issue getting its due national attention for redressing.

    This deep-seated issue has seen heightened growth with the inception of the Bhutan civil service act 2010.

    If anything, this act has now given the RCSC and the bureaucrats’ unlimited power which now drives the so called custodians themselves into heavy feasting.

    Therefore, the word accountability has now lost its true meaning here, because things now seems handled in a blatant free-for-all fashion with no faintest regards given to the rules and regulations as enshrined in the civil service act.

    If we are not careful, this civil service act 2010 seems headed in the same uncontrollable direction as that of the ACC’s initial acts which almost created a huge commotion in the Bhutanese society.

    Now that the ACC has to face the National Council’s review test brought the things to a practical and normal manageable level.

    I think the NC needs to bring this RCSC and their blatant civil service act 2010 into their review rudder immediately before things go out of the reach and results into creating another public disturbance.

    I am seriously worried with the way how things are dealt at the implementation ground zero level.

  45. How cautious has OL acted? He has removed from this blog the topic on PM’s ambasadorship as soon as His Majesty issued a royal Kasho on forming a stirring committee for promoting GNH for the global level headed by PM. He knew it was a nuisance. It’s good that he regreted for his mistake.

  46. Karmadoj wrote <<<<>>>

    This is one strong SOS message coming from a citizen to the government for action! I think it is time something is done on this front. We must be mindful and find out where things were going wrong relating to civil service matters. Just having in place the civil service act alone cannot guarantee the success of this noble mandate. What if things work in sharp contrast at the workplace

  47. Topden, you seem to be a frustrated man. Why don’t you go and have a break, and then try to manage your life first before throwing your muck at somebody.

    Cheer up man.

  48. Oh OL really did remove his article on NA declaring PM as the GNH Ambassador of life. I am sure he must have his reasons and I am sure he won’t admit it here. Just because he is in the opposition, he doesn’t have to oppose to everything. He doesn’t really have to take care of the few supports he have who do not write much sense.

  49. Observer and fuentsho,

    I think the two of you need to apologize to the OL, I checked and he has certainly not removed that article. Be magnanimous, unlike some PDP supporters who keep on referring to us as DPT dogs.

  50. karmadoj,

    I am sorry but you are all on your own, if you are depending on “the Bhutanese” to help you out, forget it, they have no interest in corruption stories where the PM or DPT are not connected. Even the OL won’t be so forthcoming, so no help from him too.

  51. norboo ongchuk says:

    Living in a Buddhist, I am reminded everyday that everything is impermanent. From Lottery Scam, Mckinsy, Benninger, CDG, State Funding of Political Parties/candidates, Vehicle Tax, Tobacco Act, Hejo, Trowa Theater, Chang Ugyen, Gyalpoizhing, Rupee crunch, Choekhortoed GNH Centre, Media Ads & Control, Denchi & a host of corruption activities including most of the ministers led by our H-PM, in turn opposed by the OL; I dare say, all these are impermanent. As everything is impermanent, let all our elected people have their fair share of power for greed and let them enjoy. They are the blessed and the chosen ones, although we know they are all impermanent. We are all just guests on this earth and if you can, do something good for your fellow beings! Don’t worry, have fun with a purpose guys!

  52. Following PM’s response on the ‘Denchi Land Case’ at the Graduate Orientation address, The Bhutanese has a news coverage supposedly in response to PM’s comment. From the article, it seemed that The Bhutanese has accepted most of its points reflected in the earlier news report as false. The only point in against as per the article is that the land compensation for PM’s Aunt was given at par with town area while her land falls under rural area.
    The whole point of news report reported by the Bhutanese in its earlier version seemed biased and targeted to tarnish the PM or his government.
    Most of the points raised by The Bhutanese are somehow nullified in another news coverage by Kuensel titled ‘villagers feel shortchanged'(18/08/2012). Something is definitely not ok. The general public must be cautious to judge the content and intent of the news story. peace!

  53. The missing part of the story ‘Hejo vs Denchi’ is; what was the land compensation rate for Hejo that the government was willing to give and what was the compensation rate claimed by the landowners. Its difference of settlement should be known to give better judgement. Otherwise, the essence of comparison is somehow lost.

  54. If The Bhutanese newspaper has to be recognized as a professional news media, it should not be politically motivated and intentionally selective. Whatever comes out in the media report is always half true.

  55. Guardian,

    What’s important is my belief? So long this conviction of mine is not fragile and stands on a firm ground, I do not care whether or not there are supporters for my cause.

    My responsibility here as a concerned Bhutanese citizen is to highlight the pressing national issues as seen exclusively in the eyes of Karmadoj and by this small service to the nation, I look forward into seeing a better tomorrow through corrective measures( if responsibly initiated). Otherwise, that’s it! What can I alone do? But, as a citizen, I will also remain on the scene and be available with my share of the critical assessments.

  56. PM shouldn’t have asked his aunt Aum Dechen to part with 24 acres of her precious land. Since land ceiling in Bhutan is just 25 acres, she must be just left with one acre more now. Government must provide her with additional land to compensate her loss.

  57. Kota,

    The last I heard was that each person can hold 25 acres of land so Aum Dechen and her family can have much more than 25 acres.

    Next time, please talk some sense.

  58. OL wants Denchi’s case to be investigated by ACC. Is it a corruption case because the land owners are paid only Nu9000 instead of 18000? What kind of politics is this? It seems he is going to take over the role of ACC chairperson. He strongly believes in whatever The Bhutanese writes and OL and TL think that Bhutan is a corrupted nation. perhaps that’s the reason why Bhutan is declining in the international corruption index. If so, what a terrible contribution for the nation!

  59. Kota,

    What a petty person you are, I hope you are ashamed of yourself, OL must be wondering why he has only idiots supporting him.

  60. Karmadorj,

    I hope someone will help you in unraveling the nexus between the RCSC and the top bureaucrats which is a much more serious issue than the land compensation which has rightly paid to the people of Denchi.

    Best of luck, but don’t expect any help from Tenzing Lamsang and his paper, after all, as you know, his only aim is to destabilize this government.

  61. i believe you fools are still in a eggshell. Tell me whats duty of opposition leader if he is not to oppose? DPT supporters must now see as themselves as individual citizen and judge whats wrong and right rather accusing with your stupid statements. Wait and see you old DPT bastards will be plucked out slowly out of the society. Youngsters are now fed up with your foolish games.

  62. Guardian,

    No, I will never seek the Bhutanese newspaper’s help, that’s for sure!

    For my matter to qualify in their paper I do not have the much needed ingredients like that of the PM’s government bashing kind of stuffs, therefore, I am quite sure they wouldn’t be interested in me, frankly.

    Since you are equally concerned like me on the deteriorating state of affairs in the Bhutan civil service system, therefore, it is important that this chapter gets revisited so that things now run under our scanner in the larger public interest.

    Things do not look that rosy once you get a peep into the inner civil service working systems.

    I have always wondered why many of the dedicated, sincere and forward looking civil servants left the civil service in the past. Today, I have the answer why they did it.

    There are instances wherein I can prove to the fullest details why some of the RCSC and the top bureaucrats’ actions are questionable?

    At such disturbing rates of the blatant wrongdoings under the cover of the civil service act, the authorities within the RCSC and the top bureaucrats are now headed neck deep on this off beam path in setting bad precedents.

    The message that goes out to the larger civil servants community has it that at the end of the day, what really matters is not how sincerely you contributed to the nation building, but, how successful you had managed in keeping your bosses happy as a civil servant, that, ultimately, would be the single most deciding factor in your career enhancement story.

    With such a distorted theory, how can we expect the civil servants to work selflessly for the greater national good?

    RCSC has been known for being very stubborn and orchestrating a point blank kind defensive style of administration?

    I do not know whether or not this is good in today’s democratic era where things demand consultative based well refined resolutions.

    How will the civil service act undergo fine-tuning exercise and gain quality growths and wider acceptance if views expressed through rational feedbacks are taken in highly constricted negative lights?

    Sometimes, I doubt whether some kind of a back scratching games between the RCSC and the top bureaucrats are in play.

  63. Tenzin Lamsang has now become a reporter that targets only the PM and the government. OL follows up and cooks further for his own good. The larger image on TL by the public and officials in any offices have now learned to be cautious the moment TL, the media reporter is seen. People are scared for TL might publish any untrue stories on any thing that targets someone in particular by suing them. But in other hand public and officials admired people like Dawa of BSS who is also mandated with the same profession and services. What could be the difference? No doubt many of us have understood the intentions behind….

  64. Traaala,

    Dawa of BBS and Tenzing Lamsang of TheBhutanese are at the absolute opposite ends of the pole – one simply does not know where to begin at listing the dissimilarities. But off the hat, I can think of few, as follows:

    1. Dawa is a reporter who works for a respected national institution that carries a social mandate at the forefront of its journalistic responsibilities. Tenzing Lamsang, on the other hand, heads a media house that was established with the sole purpose of causing disharmony in the Bhutanese society, bring ill repute to the monarchy and defame the government by distorting facts and reporting fabricated stories.

    2. Dawa is a wholesome, homegrown reporter entirely skilled and indoctrinated in the Bhutanese culture, tradition and the Driglam Nagzha. Tenzing Lamsang, on the other hand, is a cub reporter who worked for some Indian newspaper where he was so victimized and downtrodden that he ended up learning nothing but slimiest side of journalism.

    3. Dawa’s work and reporting revolves around real people speaking live and verbatim – with no room for misinterpretation or misquotes and fabrication. Tenzing Lamsang, on the other hand, works in the realm of the shady and the evil, quotes nameless persons and unverifiable sources for the fabrication and distortion he reports in his paper.

    4. Dawa reports on things that matter, issues that are relevant and reports on subjects that are ongoing and therefore, makes an impact in policy decisions. Tenzing Lamsang, on the other hand, digs up issues that happened few decades back and that which does not matter any more; runs stories that no person with any intelligence will give credence to and engages is malicious reporting that disgusts any sane person with even an iota of decency in him.

    5. Dawa anchors a program that has a following from a cross section of the Bhutanese viewers. Tenzing Lamsang’s writings, on the other hand, are read and believed by the most uneducated of the Bhutanese readership.

    6. Dawa is a professional journalist who follows a certain code of conduct and operates within a set rule. Tenzing Lamsang, on the other hand, is a stooge in the hands of some interest group and, therefore, at best he is a mercenary doing the bidding of his masters. He is not governed by any principles or ethics; he operates solely to further the cause of his masters.

  65. The report published by The Bhutanese on Kinley TEnzin’s expulsion has now been proven a false allegation. It completely destroys the credibility of this newspaper and there is no doubt that all other allegations made by this harmful newspaper will prove false. Should a harmonious country like Bhutan allow such journalism to continue? Should this newspaper be given the ads related to elections? I’m sure this newspaper will not publish the election ads fairly for all the political parties. Is Tenzin Lamzang psychologically fit for journalism?

  66. Kalapather says:

    Those are wonderful qualifications of good and bad journalism. Please highlight some more issues so that the posters here are educated well.

  67. Observer,

    As far as I am concerned, there has never been any doubt about the duplicity of Tenzing Lamsang’s intentions. All his writings have been factually fabricated, sensationalist, ill intentioned, vindictive and the stuff of the gutters. All that he has ever wanted is to bring discredit to established authority such as the monarchy and the government. There has never been anything worthy or dignified about the content of his reporting.

    But what is the most insulting part in his misadventure is that he assumes the Bhutanese people to be complete idiots. He assumes that we do not possess any analytical capability and that he can feed us whatever he wishes and that we will believe him. That is an affront to our intelligence. Tenzing Lamsang is not one-hundredth the man the PM is and yet he has the gall to insult him – a person whom the majority of the Bhutanese saw fit to be elected to govern this country.

    Tenzing Lamsang, a person of doubtful origins, has the audacity to insult our elected leaders with falsehood and fabrication? He expects us true Bhutanese to stand idly while he goes on a rampage with his slander? My blood boils at the kind of cheap shots and immorality that he dispenses.

  68. Observer,

    I am a bit confused, who has proved that the story about Kinley Tenzin’s expulsion had been fabricated. Kindly, let us know where we can find the real story.

  69. Guardian, Kindly read the Bhutan Today news for that matter. Kinley Tenzin has refused to react since he did not have valid points. Kinley Tenzin accused the education minister for the case. But, the education secretary clearly states that its the RCSC and human resource committe’s decision and the minister has no involvement in it.

  70. All the Bhutanese citizens, especially the educated ones, must be wary of TL writing on theBhutanese. His intentions are dubious. He is just serving some of his interest groups; a handpegged paper of some political interest groups trying to defame the goverment by fabricating facts and sensationlising issues.

  71. Thanks Observer, now I wonder what OL has to say about the paper which is very dear to his heart.

  72. ProOL,

    Deeply thanks for listing those differences. It truly makes sense and we have a reason to worry for de-stabilizing and de-harmonizing the nation for personal grudges and political gains. All in all, we the citizens have the duty to live by truths and facts through our own analytical powers.

  73. And who could be that morally bankrupt shameless twerp who is impersonating the PM on twitter. I wonder what his wife thinks of him.

  74. BBS Dawa has been doing a very good job that one must appreciate.

    His two popular programs that of the People’s Voice and Dawa’s Kudren are today considered one of the best BBS programs.

    The current people’s issues that he covers in his show by bringing the relevant authorities and as well, questioning them hard on the real matters is something that , I think, will go a long way in inflicting this much needed democratic culture into taking firm roots in our Bhutanese society.

    Dawa should now frame tough questions in his coming shows so that people’s right message can be conveyed in its true context to the larger world.

    Dawa once called the RCSC’s Bachu Phup Dorji on his Dawa’s Kudren Show.

    On his question of the RCSC’s take on the numerous complaints relating to some of the top bureaucrats, Bachu Phup Dorji in his response said while some remedial measures on this front were already in place into addressing them, however, on the larger façade, the RCSC now needs to do some serious rethinking on some of their spoilt top bureaucrats issue.

    In his true words he said this: “Yes, some of our senior civil servants, of late, were showing some failure symptoms for which the RCSC themselves are mindful and concerned”.

    As a follow up to this, Dawa must now call the RCSC Chairman LTJ himself on his show and ask the following questions:

    1. How much does the true success of the Civil Service Act 2010 mean to him?

    2. What would be his frank view if on some civil service matters, his administration, the RCSC, knowingly or unknowingly, having passed a decision in favor of the top bureaucrats in some ministries over some mid level civil servants’ genuine case which somehow was in sharp contradiction to the Civil Service Act 2010 when viewing things from its true perspectives?

    3. In keeping with the rules and regulations under the Civil Service Act 2010, how does one understand the real meaning of the Rule of Law? Does it mean dispensing justice based on two ways justice system- one, going completely blind on the conduct of the top bureaucrats and yet, rewarding them as though nothing happened kind of mentality. Two, excessively penalizing the weaker mid level civil servants as a matter of the right kind of affairs. Is the Civil Service Act 2010 designed exclusively along these lines- mainly, to give a greater edge of protection to the top bureaucrats and altogether forgetting the remaining larger civil servants as some insignificant lots? Won’t such RCSC’s misadventures risk creating an unequal civil service community?

  75. Yes, Dawa is doing a good job and taking a very professional approach. However, we can see right through Namgay Om when she is interviewing someone. She should learn to be more objective and unbiased in her approach.

  76. read this…..http://www.cabinet.gov.bt/?p=1148…….Denchi case to be investigated by ACC,as suggested by the OL…

    i have a suggestion to the ACC….. dont waste ur time….. its an issues of a paper failing to do its homework properly…….. and the OL simply believing what it reports……

    its two in a row now…first the education case and now this ….

  77. Dawa has got a tough job and he must therefore persevere whatsoever. On the other hand, TL’s thebhutanese has been on its toes since its inception diggings useless past episodes hunting the PM and most of them that do not hold water to present day. He definitely need to learn how to relate to larger intelligentsia of civil service, such as unmasking flaws in RCSC. Addressing and uncovering flaws, corruptions and misuses in such organizations could earn his paper much wanted credibility and it will all the more be practical.

  78. I know, Namgay Zam needs to be more neutral on her own program if she wants to be taken seriously. I watched the first episode of meet the press and immediately got the feeling that she was taking up Tenzing Lamsangs cause, which was not right on her part. Whatever her personal views, as an anchor, she needs to project that she is neutral.

  79. Was this blog has turned into DPT fans meeting place. DPT fans only see issues from DPT lens, so anything that goes against DPT is bad according to them. They are not objective and they have been brainwashed to the point where treatment will be futile. So if you want to have objective debates with DPT fanatics, forget about it.

  80. Sempachoyi,

    Denchi was identified by HMK4, now I hope you know that Pemagatshelpas as not as foolish as you.

  81. Guardian

    I agree. I hope NZ takes heed. She has finally been given her own show. I hope she understands the value of what she has achieved and do not jeopardize it by taking the TL route.

    The day an anchor of a national/state broadcaster takes to hero-worshiping an immoral ranter, it is bound to affect the quality of her programs.

    In an increasingly crowded job market, it would be pretty simple for a younger usurper to pull the carpet from under her feet.

    I hope for her own sake, she maintains focus and remain objective. I mean her well as well as wish her best of luck.

  82. Kalapather says:

    The proposal for life time GNH Ambassador is very much timely and appropriate!

  83. 4Democracy says:

    Let’s highlight Dawa of BBS and Tenzing Lamsang of The Bhutanese again!

    Prool wrote:
    1.” Dawa is a reporter who works for a respected national institution that carries a social mandate at the forefront of its journalistic responsibilities.”

    =>Let’s be honest, BBS hardly ever does any controversial stories that can set off the MOIC (GOVT) on a circular issuing attack mode. Boardmembers of BBS are DPT affiliated big shots. Under such tough conditions, we expect and trust Dawa to do fearless reporting.

    Prool wrote:
    “Tenzing Lamsang, on the other hand, heads a media house that was established with the sole purpose of…”

    => Tenzing Lamsang dares to informs the nation to bring to end the corrupt practices, which come so natural to those in position and rank – most of them are in this forum shooting down T Lamsang.

    => The Bhutanese paper has defended and valued the monarchy when power hungry politicians wanted to take over even the King’s kidu powers. Why defame the government when the facts and stories about their corrupt ways are already known and heard long before it is printed in the paper. The govt is doing well on its own, with ways very similar with autocratic style of govern and rule.

    Prool wrote:
    2. “Dawa is a wholesome, homegrown reporter entirely skilled and indoctrinated in the Bhutanese culture, tradition and the Driglam Nagzha.Tenzing Lamsang, on the other hand, is…”

    => Tenzing is a tiger reporter who worked for one of the most well respected Indian newspaper: The Indian Express, which is read and respected all over the world, where he was their leading columnist and reporter learning the side of journalism which is needed in Bhutan. It is about time that reporters stand up against Govt officials who try to intimidate reporters by talking down to them and harassing them. And Driglam Namzha done superficially is of no use. Tenzing Lamsang is indoctrinated with the right moral compass and might to keep the nation on a clean path where corruption is killed off. Less corrupt people = better and healthy nation for our youth and children. In such a clean nation will Driglam Namzha find its right calling and home where mutual respect and care is genuine and spread across the masses.

    3. Prool wrote:
    “Dawa’s work and reporting revolves around real people speaking live and verbatim – with no room for misinterpretation or misquotes and fabrication.”

    => that’s the charm of TV which is BROADCAST media. More people should come to the studio if free expression and speech is valued. The empty audience chairs in Dawa’s shows are a clue to that.

    Prool wrote:
    “Tenzing Lamsang, on the other hand, works in the realm of the shady and the evil, quotes nameless persons and unverifiable sources for the fabrication and distortion he reports in his paper.”

    => When a person who is a source or who is being interviewed can ask for confidentiality and request for their name to be withheld. BBS journalist in Bhutan have tried such things with blurring and distorting the faces and voices of people in their sensitive stories. That is why you find it shady and evil. Media does it in the best interest of the person who is giving the interview so that they will be protected when telling the truth. T Lamsang also follows such ethics in protecting his sources. The fact that he continues to have such stories is that people trust and faith in journalism ethics. News reports are fact based. And investigative stories have to have solid facts and evidence to back up the news. Organization like BICMA and MOIC can easily clamp down papers if their reports and news were just nonsense as some would have the readers believe.

    4.Prool wrote:
    ” “Dawa reports on things that matter, issues that are relevant and reports on subjects that are ongoing and therefore, makes an impact in policy decisions.”

    => And he gets the nation’s approval and cheers for that. He has time on his side and he can only improve and improve more.

    Prool wrote:
    “Tenzing Lamsang, on the other hand, digs up issues that happened few decades back and that which does not matter any more;”

    => that depends on which side of the story you are inclined towards. A few decades back the inhabitants of Gyaposhing might have felt oh!there goes our ancestral lands! Bye, Bye. And fastforward a decade or so. Welcome Hope! Our land might just come back to us. Some win, some lose. Only time is the master. The past misdeeds will come to bite us one way or the other. If stories help the weak and innocent then it is a story worth telling over and over again.

    Prool wrote:
    “…runs stories that no person with any intelligence will give credence to and engages is malicious reporting that disgusts any sane person with even an iota of decency in him.”

    => A person reading the story has to be neutral as well. It is understandable that T Lamsang’s stories hurts. Truth has a way of doing that. Intelligence, sanity and decency are in the realm of people who care about such qualities. Corruption robs people off all of those qualities so it’s best not to point and preach when your hands are dirty.

    5. Prool wrote:
    “Dawa anchors a program that has a following from a cross section of the Bhutanese viewers.”
    => Cross section also includes viewers in the rural and urban areas who actually analyze such shows. Keep up the pace, BBS and Dawa. You can do better.

    Prool wrote:
    “Tenzing Lamsang’s writings, on the other hand, are read and believed by the most uneducated of the Bhutanese readership.”
    => The charm of diversity in media is that readers can subscribe to any paper that suits them. Readers are no fools. The so called “uneducated” readers make the most sense since they don’t have to depend on the filtered news given daily by govt owned press. T Lamsang has a lot of supporters who believe in rooting out corruption.

    6.Prool wrote:
    “Dawa is a professional journalist who follows a certain code of conduct and operates within a set rule.”
    => Dawa must really put such code to use to really get to the core of things. Just asking surface questions are not enough. Don’t be pressured by anything. You have our support.

    Prool wrote:
    “Tenzing Lamsang, on the other hand, is a stooge in the hands of some interest group and, therefore, at best he is a mercenary doing the bidding of his masters. He is not governed by any principles or ethics; he operates solely to further the cause of his masters.”

    => Tenzing Lamsang is his own master. He is a shining light for the youth and future of Bhutan. The fact that so many people are on this forum talking about T Lamsang and comparing him to everyone else is confirmation that he has been doing his job well and his impact is being felt. Supporting his cause in the fight against corruption will help our nation become a true paradise. He has brought PDP to shame and DPT to shame. He has even covered corruption stories in corporations and agencies. There are countless people who have been wronged by corrupt practices and corrupted people. There will be a day when enough is enough.

    In conclusion, there cannot be two laws in the country. Corruption cases verdict and sentence must be the same for a small fish and a big fish.
    Dawa a from TV and Tenzing from newspaper are taking their job and responsibilities well. Keep doing a good job to both. Tashi Delek.

  84. If whatever TL reported pertaining to scams is proven correct, he is a bold journalist. But what if the scams are proven otherwise? Should he be allowed to continue as journalist? The case of Kinley Tenzin has already been proven false and I don’t think this kind of people should have a place in Bhutanese society if their intentions are to create misunderstanding between the citizens and government. In fact, both Tenzin Lamzang and Kinley Tenzin should come up with the truth if they have proofs or otherwise appologise for their false allegations.

  85. Observer, better put that question to 4Democracy above as Tenzing Lamsang seems to be his hero.

  86. 4Demoracy, do you actual believe the crap you have written, come on please spare us the lengthy diatribe next time.

    Just one question, do you seriously mean to say that an ethical journalist, as you believe TL is, would allow his paper to carry a story like the Kinley Tenzin one, a story which was as one sided as one could get and with absolutely no contribution from the accused parties, ie the MOE and that poor principal.

    Come on, you got to be kidding us.

  87. 4Democracy,

    This is something new for me – that only “controversial stories” merit respect and attention of the readers/audience. On the contrary, it is my belief that a conscientious reporter ensures that his articles do not end up in a controversy. And, the media should not be in the business of telling stories – controversial or otherwise. They are in the news business and their job is to report news as they happen – not spin stories. They must report news – without fabrication, without bias and without passing judgment. As to Dawa doing fearless reporting, he has done his share and on very pertinent issues too.

    Dawa stands up for himself on whatever he reports – Tenzing Lamsang, on the other hand, puts his reporters names on the articles he ghostwrites. And you call him daring?

    Tenzing Lamsang does not inform the nation – he spreads misinformation and offers distorted perspectives to events about which he has no first hand knowledge or experience. He prints that which his masters require him to print – which are most often, falsified to suite their purpose and fits within the scheme of their design.

    Tenzing Lamsang does not work at ending corruption but writes about corruptions that have already taken place few decades back. There is a difference. Tenzing Lamsang is a pathetic person who should rightly be ignored. However, I am aware that there are people who are so dumb as to believe whatever nonsense is put out. There is a need to set the record straight.

    Tenzing Lamsang’s paper deliberately misreported about the intentions of the government to usurp the King’s royal prerogatives of granting land Kidu, through an attempt at amending the Land Act. If educated persons such as yourself can be so dumb as to believe that is what happened, then there is nothing I can say to convince you otherwise. However, for the benefit of others let me once again explain (this issue has been clarified through the media) that Tenzing Lamsang printed that fabrication to cause misunderstanding between the monarchy and the government.

    What the government did was not to take away the royal prerogative of land kidu. The proposed amendment document clearly states that. What was proposed is to define the functions of what is, by right, within the ambit of the Executive. The King clearly understands the royal prerogatives as clearly defined in the Constitution.

    The royal prerogative is limited to kidu at individual and private level. What the amendment proposed relates to development activities and land taken over by the government for development activities and for lands proposed for community improvement – that which goes beyond the private and personal level which fall under the category of “kidu”. In printing the distorted report, Tenzing Lamsang wished to cause confusion and misunderstanding in the minds of the people and from the fact that you too believe it, he has certainly succeeded.

    Tenzing Lamsang is not a tiger – he is a sheep camouflaged in a skin resembling that of a tiger. But a sheep remains a sheep and its roar is never as resounding as that of a tiger. As to his moral compass, let us not even discuss it. He is devoid of it.

    Tenzing Lamsang will not get any further than what his masters offer him on a platter – so forget him making any difference in this country.

    The empty audience chairs during Dawa’s shows is not indicative of the substance of his discussions – it is a demonstration of the Bhutanese mentality – talk big where it does not count but unwilling to make a stand where it is needed.

    It is not that people trust him that he gets the material that he further distorts and prints in his paper. It is that it has now become customary for immoral people to use him to further their individual interests. The man you call a tiger is nothing more than a stooge used and manipulated like a mindless moron.

    Tenzing Lamsang’s stories don’t hurt – it disgusts. Because it is shallow, manipulated and way short of truth. I am amazed at the callousness of reporting and factual inaccuracies. However, I can understand that the articles were run with the sole purpose of misinforming people and bringing shame and dishonor to the King and the government.

    Tenzing Lamsang is a shinning star to the youth because they cannot understand any better. The wise and the knowledgeable find him despicably ignorant and a threat to the peace and harmony of the people of Bhutan.

    You are right, it should be left to the legal system and the judiciary – if ever the matters come up in the courts, to pass a verdict whether any wrong have been committed.

    It is not up to traitors like Tenzing Lamsang to pass a judgment.

  88. I may be going out of topic, but it needs to be addressed. It’s about the impersonation of PM on the twiter account and giving false information. I’m sure it’s the work of none other than an active PDP member or a supporter. It’s yet another malacious attempt by a PDP supporter to defame and discredit the PM’s image and reputation. As the election draws ever closer, many desperate measures seem to be taken by the PDP to undermine DPT leaders. But, can Bhutanese people be deceived by evil actions? Can Bhutanese entrust faith and power to such people and such a party? I only hope that good prevails and evil falters.

  89. TL had so far dug out the stories to the nation that happened way back before decades, all aimed at creating doubts,sucking harmony and destroying Bhutanese GNH both in and beyond the country. TL had never thought of or attempted reporting any current issues that would help any section of the people and the nation at large. The only article on the recent issue i can remember from TL is the issue for possible cuts of adds by the government to some private papers like TL`s whose intention is so biased. None of the stories reported well-targeting the PM and his government, have actually proven by any competent authority nor there are chances of getting it proven in the times to come. As some one have said above that both TL and Dawa are doing their best…well i will not believe this and i can only believe is, TL is dis-harmonizing the nation in the process of attacking the PM. TL can be one of the names who had impersonated the PM. Such intention & action, ethics & moralities will only shrunk their own merits in life…The nation will pray hard to punish that kind of criminal in our land to immediately exit us…God will see the truth and punish it accordingly…

  90. I consider this statement as the hallmark of the Bhutanese people’s common submission on a matter which somehow received a very lukewarm national attention thus far.

    Having just the Civil Service Act 2010 alone cannot guarantee us the necessary improvement if things on the real ground works way contradictory to such well intended national reform initiatives.

    If the RCSC today intends into advancing ahead in tune with the changing times alongside the GNH principles, then, definitely, things are not going in the right direction in today’s highly tight lipped RCSC culture.

    For the Bhutanese public to have an unwavering faith in the civil service system, the players or rather the custodians (RCSC) themselves must be very honest and true to the merit based principles of the civil service act at all times.

    We pretend things within the civil service system are heading perfectly in keeping with the Civil Service Acts, but, reality has a different story.

    If you secretly sneaked in the civil service’s inner house, you will notice that things have now almost reached a rotting stage.

    Except few, almost everyone in the civil service are following this selfish path that of self gratification process as their only single most theme in life.

    You cannot blame these civil servants because other than taking this incorrect path they do not have many options left.

    They know precisely well that taking a righteous and patriotic selflessness route will only end in making their lives very miserable, because, that would mean taking on a powerful RCSC’s pet top bureaucrats.

    I do not know where this magic wane kind of a solution would come from.

    But, definitely, not the current RCSC’s undemocratic way of being overtly tight lipped and utterly inflexible to real issues – would be a solution.

  91. Foontsho wrote: “ larger intelligentsia of civil service, such as unmasking flaws in RCSC. Addressing and uncovering flaws, corruptions and misuses in such organizations”

    I consider this statement as the hallmark of the Bhutanese people’s common submission on a matter which somehow received a very lukewarm national attention thus far.

    Having just the Civil Service Act 2010 alone cannot guarantee us the necessary improvement if things on the real ground works way contradictory to such well intended national reform initiatives.

    If the RCSC today intends into advancing ahead in tune with the changing times alongside the GNH principles, then, definitely, things are not going in the right direction in today’s highly tight lipped RCSC culture.

    For the Bhutanese public to have an unwavering faith in the civil service system, the players or rather the custodians (RCSC) themselves must be very honest and true to the merit based principles of the civil service act at all times.

    Sometimes, people get the feeling that for how long these artificially driven RCSC cultures go on.

    We pretend things within the civil service system are heading perfectly in keeping with the Civil Service Acts, but, reality has a different story.

    If you secretly sneaked in the civil service’s inner house, you will notice that things have now almost reached a rotting stage.

    Except few, almost everyone in the civil service are following this selfish path that of self gratification process as their only single most theme in life.

    You cannot blame these civil servants because other than taking this incorrect path they do not have many options left.

    They know precisely well that taking a righteous and patriotic selflessness route will only end in making their lives very miserable, because, that would mean taking on a powerful RCSC’s pet top bureaucrats.

    I do not know where this magic wane kind of a solution would come from.

    But, definitely, not the current RCSC’s undemocratic way of being overtly tight lipped and utterly inflexible to real issues – would be a solution.

  92. Wang Drukpa says:

    Some bottomline questions and issues on the topic of OL.
    1. If Hejo landowners were paid at PAVA rate, it is in line with the Land Act, which empowers the government to frame rules and regulations and PAVA is created for government acquisitions and disposal.. If paid less or more, it is wrong.
    2. If the PAVA rate for Denchi is Nu 3,952.42 per decimal and owners were paid Nu. 9000 per decimal, it breaks the law and individuals are paid more than what is legitimate. If PAVA rate is Nu 18000 and the owners are paid Nu 9000 it still breaks the law and legitimate costs are not paid to individuals by the govt.
    3. The confusion seems to arise from whether Denchi is Class A Rural Land, Class B rural land or Thromde Category B. Just declaring Denchi as Thromde Category B and the land price there be considered accordingly for Thromde B is not right. The land is acquired as is basis today i.e. as rural land and facelities, infrastructure and services need to be developed at huge costs to convert it into Thromde B category land after which the land value should be calculated by PAVA as Thromde Category B land rate. In this case it appears before any infrastructure is developed, the value is already hiked up.
    To me these are issues which depict some shady doings.

  93. concerned citizen says:

    This is why we should use our heads wisely before voting for anyone

  94. Genuine Bhutanese should not be swayed by what TL writes. He has his hidden agenda

  95. OL, I just watched your interview with Dawa of BBS on BBS TV this evening. Without going into the details of it and what and how you responded to his questions, let me say (a foregone conclusion) you were cornered by Dawa (as expected). However, as a person who loves this country and the sacrifices K4 made for this country, I would like this ProOL, a.k.a TheLaggard…the rNyaljorpa to have his say on Dawa’s show. I am a friend (?) of Dawa and will try to have ProOL have his say on BBS without his identity revealed… if he is willing. I am sick and tired of his pretending to be the I-know-it-all!You-guys-are-dumb! attitude. ProOL, I dare you and if you are willing I shall TRY and arrange an interview with Dawa to have your say to all Bhutanese (not just to those who have access to BBS TV or internet).
    I admire our PM and I honestly feel that there is no person, at this moment, more worthy than him to be our PM. What riles me most is that there is this person who seems to be cock sure (just because he has a good command over the QUEEN’S language)that we average Bhutanese people can be herded, and expects us to believe what he purports.
    Yes, I think Tenzin Lamzang has vested interest and will do more harm than good to the country but the way this ProOL goes about it he will do more harm than TL. This ProOL is as dangerous as TL and, I think they are both self-serving.

  96. Pel Yeshey Gempo says:

    From Business Bhutan:

    most civil service trainings grabbed by privileged few
    By tenzing_LAMSANG | 09 April 2011 | 84 Comments

    If you are a civil servant who feels that a privileged sycophant stole your foreign training opportunity, then this is your story. A Royal Audit Authority performance audit on civil servants training confirms that many civil servants are trained in the wrong fields, non-eligible civil servants are sent for trainings and time gaps between trainings are not maintained.
    Hogging the training pie
    An analysis of short term trainings in 2008 and 2009 showed that 106 officials from agencies in Thimphu availed foreign trainings as many as five to 13 times in two years. However, on the other hand, information gathered from eight sampled dzongkhags reveal that 344 officials have never availed any ex-country trainings in their entire service period ranging from 5 to 35 years of service.
    Ironically, the official government policy is to give preference for trainings to civil servants serving in rural areas. The report says that such a departure in the implementation of the policies indicated flaws in the system, providing opportunities only to a few officials.
    With some civil servants taking 13 trips in two years, this meant that some officials were travelling outside once every two months. In some cases, the total duration of these short term training was up to 141 days constituting a major chunk of working days.
    A detailed look at the list of 106 privileged souls unsurprisingly show that most of these are senior officials like secretaries, director generals, directors, chief and senior planning officers, chief engineers or specialists etc.
    Leading the list is Phuntsho Wangdi, the former roads director and now SQCA director, being trained 13 times in 2008 and 2009. Among the secretaries, the most trained is the health secretary, Dasho Dr. Gado Tshering, (10 times) followed closely by agriculture secretary, Sherub Gyaltshen (9 times).
    Among the director generals, the most travelled is Dr. Dorji Wangchuk (8 trips) of the health ministry. A more distant second is Sonam Yangley (6 trips), formerly of National Environment Commission and now the geology and mines director general.
    A bulk of the travelers are directors and the top three are Dr. Nawang Tenzin (11 times) of JDWNRH, Rinchen Dorji (10 trips) of DUDES and Dr Tashi Samdrup (9) of the agriculture ministry.
    Among planning officers, the best travelled is Phuntsho Wangyal (7) of the Gross National Happiness Commission.
    The list shows that major travelers are from the National Environment Commission, health, agriculture, information and economic affairs ministries.
    In a review from 2007 to 2009, it was found that six GNHC focal officers Norbu Wangchuk, Sonam Chokey, Tshering Wangmo, Yeshey Pelzang, Wangchuk Namgay and Khandu Dorji had availed trainings actually designed for implementing officials in the respective ministries and agencies. The report says that this is a case of conflict of interest and would impede the objectives of the programs.
    Not keeping time gap between trainings
    As per RCSC rules, those civil servants coming from short term trainings have to have a minimum six months gap before going again while those coming from long term trainings have to keep a one-year gap before going again.
    However, the audit report found that 262 civil servants broke this rule in eight ministries and three autonomous agencies from 2007 to 2009. This meant that other civil servants who had not availed training opportunities were denied.
    The highest number is from the agriculture ministry with 90 such cases followed by the home ministry with 40. The works and human settlement ministry has 25 cases and the health ministry has 23.
    Non-eligible civil servants sent for training
    Another RCSC rule is that a civil servant is only eligible for long term training if he or she has served a minimum of two years excluding the probation period.
    However, reviewing the training list from 2004-09, it was found that ministries like MoF, MoEA, MoWHS, MoLHR, MoHCA and the NEC had not adhered to these rules and given trainings to individuals not eligible for any kind of training.
    For example, Chewang Gyaltshen, an air worthiness officer with the MoIC who was on probation, was sent for five ex-country trainings in one year.
    Trainings availed in irrelevant fields
    As per rules, the Human Resource Committee is supposed to nominate the relevant people for the relevant training programs.
    However, RAA found that between 2006 and 2009, 56 officials across ministries and agencies had availed trainings not directly relevant to their job.
    Even junior officials like personal assistants and personal secretaries were nominated for important forums and trainings. It was also found that human resource officers, program officers, project coordinators and focal persons and finance personnel had mostly availed ex-country trainings due to their position and as they had access to the project funds and slots.
    It was also found that these officials were recommended by sector heads without properly taking into account their roles and responsibilities. In some cases, it was also for rewarding hardworking civil servants who had not gone for any foreign trip.
    For example, even the Royal Civil Service Commission’s assistant HR officer, Sangay Choden, went on a study tour to Bangkok through NEC. Sangay Dem, PA to the Director of Forest was sent for a ‘Best project management, HR and procurement course’ in the Philippines. The Chief HRO of the MoEA, Kesang Wangdi, went for a ‘diplomatic conference for adoption of a revised trademark law treaty’. Dema, a procurement assistant in DVED, was sent for a ‘Reproductive health’ course.
    The RCSC also found that there are officials who do jobs not related to their academic training. Mani Sangye, a dzongrab, has a MSc in mountain forestry, ECB Director Dr Phuntsho Namgyel has a PhD in forest policy, Drungpa Yeshey R. Dorjee has an MBA in finance, senior environment officer, Tashi Penjor has an MSc in engineering, and Dorji, a copyright officer in MoEA has masters in educational administration.
    It was also found that in most ministries, people who handle finance and accounts of donor funded projects were availing frequent trainings in the same field due to easy access.
    RCSC Chairman Thinley Gyamtsho told Business Bhutan, “Since most of the findings are in the period before we came in, its quite educative and the shortcomings mentioned are being rectified by the RCSC through the new Bhutan Civil Service Rules.”

    The media should now ask the RCSC Chairman Thinley Gyamtsho and inform the nation where we stand on this rectification works.

    How do we understand this phrase “rectified by the RCSC through the new Bhutan Civil Service Rules”?

    Does it mean that through the new BCSR clauses these senior officers had been pardoned?

  97. mongar123 says:

    Gyelposhing Landscam and Trowa Theater cased preceded this government. You can blame a n individual but you can’t blame institution as government.

  98. Pro democracy says:

    Yesterday when i saw OL being questioned by Dawa at the Dawai Kudrin. It was very politeness of the OL to answer all the question without any hesitation. But I also saw that Dawa was asking some very personal questions, to which the OL again did very well to answer.
    I would like to see Dawa inviting the ministers from the present government and ask the questions just like he did to OL..

  99. Pro democracy, you therefore thought it was not being fair? You got hurt in fact, didn’t you?

    But I agree with you that Dawa should also ask critical questions to any guests on his show. It is nothing personal when you are asked about your party in the OL’s case.

  100. OL did not openly, loudly and clearly accept the fact that PDP failed to meet ECB`s deadline of June 30, 2012 for clearing the party debts in Yesterday`s Dawai Kudoen. In fact he was arguing that there are no laws anywhere where party is to be denied from election when such debts are not paid within the stipulated time. Does that mean the political parties can lend money and pay back only after indefinite years and only if the party becomes stable. See the kind of arguments…no moral responsibilities…it is sad and NEY DHEN DEE LU TA DEY, NGA CHEY GA RA TSAJANG LANGOP DOU…as OL says alys…

  101. Just Asking says:

    Read The Bhutanese, today’s issue.

    Inconsistencies in land compensation in Denchi, Duksum and Hejo speak for themselves, whether corruption and abuse of power are there or not

  102. How long can OL say that the party is trying hard to clear the debts? The time frame given by ECB has already passed and ECB stated that the PDP has not been given any special deadline to do that. Now, OL says that there is no law to disqualify a party for failing to clear the debts.So, what is the purpose of setting a deadline if there no penalty for failing to meet the same? Why did ECB state in the notification about disqualification? ECB is studying the reports of the two parties. What is ECB going to do for the party that failed to clear the debts? Will the two parties be treated same for different issues?

  103. pema tshewang tashi says:

    Denchi was declared capital town B by the Joint Sitting of the Parliament, in line with Article 1 Section 4 of the Constitution, on 2 July, 2010 and NOT 2 June, 2012 as reported by The Bhutanese in order to conveniently distort facts and figures like always. It is therefore unlawful for anyone to insist the status of Denchi as rural land.
    Further the PAVA rates fixed in 2009 which is still current is Nu 18905.04 for commercial plot and Nu 9844.56 for residential plot. Therefore what was paid to the land owners, maximum holder being his
    aunt, was paid Nu. 9000 only irrespective of whether the land falls in commercial or residential plot.
    Even if Tenzing lamzang and the fictitious people that he quotes produce 1000 pages, he can not change the following facts.
    Duksum is NOT a dzongkhang capital town. It is town classification C and it is unfair to compare a sattelite town to a main town of a dzongkhag as big as pemagatsel. Also, did you know that most of the landowners in Hejo are the PM’s relatives including his daughter. please do not undermine us.

  104. From BB”Among the secretaries, the most trained is the health secretary, Dasho Dr. Gado Tshering, (10 times) followed closely by agriculture secretary, Sherub Gyaltshen (9 times).”

    Dasho Dr. Gado Tshering on moral ground already resigned. But, what about the second corrupt position holder agriculture secretary Sherub Gyalsthen? The rumor doing the rounds has it that his corrupt instincts can make another headline news if so exposed. What is RCSC’s LTJ doing by going so soft on a matter where public’s angers are mounting each passing day? The talk in town has no good news about the agriculture secretary sherub gyaltshen. The question is what is stopping the RCSC from taking action or why LTJ is not explaining to the Bhutanese public if they are not at the fault (like our PM in today’s kuensel about Gyelposhing land). Is RCSC accountable to the Bhutanese public or is it that under civil service act 2010, some kind of life time immunity over free civil service governance holding them from going the transparent way?

  105. constitution says:

    Dear All,

    Hope we all are watching what is happening around, especially in the neighborhood nations.

    Ethnicity problems, caste problems, religion problems, so and so all created by WHO? Dirty politicians playing vote bank politics not knowing they are dividing the nation and making sure that everyone should be conscious of what caste they belong, which religion they follow, which region they belong to rather than think that are all ONE people of the same nation.

    So I can simply draw the parallel line with our DEFAULT OL to these issues.
    This forum not only divide the people with individual views, but it is forum where people are going on personal issues that is what exactly targeted by our OL, to discredit the govt.and then divide the people.
    How shameful it is becoming, our puppet OL has no other agendas than to bring personal issue against PM in the forum rather than bringing the national issues and make people aware.
    As far as I’m concerned our PM is doing what he is entitled to do so with regard to whatever is said in this forum.
    Yes, there were and are lapses on the part of the present govt. but at the same time, we cannot forget the changes brought to the nation during this short span of time. This can only strengthen the democracy but PLEASE PLEASE OL and Mr. Sonam Kinga, do some home work if you want to be remembered otherwise, there isn’t any difference in describing that the PDP is perished, MAY new political parties come with good sense be it in the opposition and in the ruling party. Hope DPT is also learning the lessons for the mistake s they did though most of the things were in the larger interest of the NATION.

  106. Words from the mouth of our Hon’ble Prime Minister in his attempt to defend Gyalposhing Land Grab Case. “We were persuaded to apply for plots by the then Dzongda who hoped that investment by “influential” people could help influence others to return and invest in interior eastern Bhutan. This is the kind of thing that governments at the national and sub-national levels do (mainly with incentives) to promote investment and growth”.

    Isn’t HPM admitting the plots were grabbed illigaly back then? If all these allegations are true, i can’t imagine what possesed a man of high calibre and wisdom who i have deep respect to bow to such an act of greed. Let ACC do its job and May God Bless Bhutan.

  107. Besides OL and Sonam Kuenga, Tenzin Lamzang also intends to disrupt the peace and harmony of Bhutan by digging out all the past issues on false grounds. The Bhutanese newspaper has no reports without personal attacks on Pm.

  108. Sempa choyi says:

    Please donot go against the OL he is doing and bringing our farmland to the villagers instead. See Denchi was then the haunted place and now PM want or insitgating to get more compensation. He is treacherous and following Sunchine policy. He new that he can influence the Yongbas of Shumar geog and asked the Gups to propose Denchi as the Dzong construction. See in the pass all the Debs and Rajas were looking for the hilltop to consttruct Dzong but our PM is looking for the discarded land which is more prone to flooding.

  109. Sempa choyi

    If you don’t mind, it was HM the fourth Druk Gyalpo who decreed that the main Pemgatshel town should be in Denchi, not the PM. In the past Dzongs served as fortress and it is different now. Do not question the Monarch’s intention please. If you may, please contribute on whether the cabinet violated the laws in giving compensation rates to the thram holders.

    Nobody is against the OL here, he is only doing his job as an opposition, though sometimes he gets carried away especially after he is being motivated by some of his friends to oppose to whatever the government does.

    If you asked me, the cabinet did what is best suited for both thram holders and the government, keeping in mind the laws of the country. If you want me to talk about Hejo, it would be a long story. So, I better not do that.

  110. media watcher and whistler says:

    lets set aside the dzongkha papers, Bhutan youth, journalists and bhutan times.they are more of a magazine and feature stories publishers The other papers who are putting on a pathetic attempt to report hard news should see ‘the bhutanese’ as an example. we dont want any government mouthpiece here. check this story out. what impression do you get about this paper and its editor?

    http://www.bhutanobserver.bt/prime-minister-responds-gyalpozhing-land-allegations/#comment-34037

  111. Opposition’s role is to oppose the government’s every decision. Whether, he (the opposition) likes it or not he must do that, for the sake of the people. That is the rule of the democratic principle, for a vibrant democracy. The opposition in actual sense is basically a “person who gives a different viewpoint”, so that best decision comes out, not something that is benefitting only to the elected party, or few affluent people or the elected party member’s relative.
    And the media have the same role too. Their role is not to just report, but call columnists and share their viewpoint. But we don’t have that! So we are actually opposing/or giving our viewpoint very LESS.
    So there should be least 23 assemblymen out of 47 in the opposition.
    Then only we have well debated, well discussed policy for our country. We don’t want bad policy that needs rectification later…we don’t have time and money and can’t afford to lose productivity and lives of people and god knows what more.
    So come 2013, we must have stronger opposition too.

  112. At least 23 seats for opposition? Securing anything more than 23 seats would form the government mister? Lets not jump from 2 opposition party MPs to at least 23. May be we should have at least 10 or 15 seats for opposition and anything closer to 23 would be perfect for real debate in the parliament.

  113. I really don’t know who this funny guy who goes by the name of Bhutangossip is, while we have roasted his ass here, he seems to be tweeting a lot on the PM with like minded people like himself, ie in his comfort zone. We would like to invite him here, outside of his comfort zone if he has any issues with the PM so we can have a free for all.

  114. Guardian

    Do not worry about people such as Bhutangossip and others. You can see that there is no credibility in what they say.

  115. Having more number of Opposition members is not important. We must have more sensible and responsible opposition leader and members for a better democracy. We wish for an OL who thinks for the country’s general welfare rather than that of few sections. We want OL who give alternative solutions instead of simply opposing to every decission of the government. The future Ol should be the one who communicatesand interacts actively with the government, not the one having personal grudge with the PM. May god grant our wish.

  116. media watcher and whistler

    According to you, any paper that does not malign the government is not a good paper? As far as I see it, the paper presented exactly what the Lyonchen said. Unlike that crappy paper TheBhutanese, it did not pass a judgement. The Observer allowed its readers to form their own opinion. This is what a credible paper does – report news and not present their twisted views.

  117. media watcher and whistler says:

    prool

    i pity you for not being able to understand the main ethics of a newspaper. ofcourse i am not in favor of the crappy btn observer or the bhutanese. my point here is that the story neednot be run as a front page story under a reporter’s byline. because this makes the paper PM’s mouth piece. did the paper have ay voices from concerned parites apart from the PM in their story? It could have been a perfect ‘opinion page’ article or ‘letter to the editor’. the story misleads readers and it involves politics! from my little research, i learnt that the paper has never run a story on Gyelposhing land scam except for the PM’s clarification. If you ask the reporter about it, m sure he will have no answers at all!
    ethical journalism will not present a one sided story at all unless it is an opinion article!!

  118. media watcher and whistler says:

    anyway i think theres no point discussing on it anymore. not worth debating about a paper with a pathetic editor tryna impress the corrupt PM and company. all of them should be ashamed.

  119. Media watcher and whistler
    And your star and demi-god Tenzing Lamsang is balanced in his reporting? If the Observer has not featured articles on the Gyelpoizhing case, obviously they understand that the matter is under investigation and there are competent authorities and institutions to pass judgments on the matter. Unlike your hero Tenzing Lamsang, the editor at the Observer knows that it is unethical to pass judgment on something that you are not empowered to or is outside your mandate.

  120. Palden Tashi says:

    JYT should be ashamed of himself for accepting the land even though he knew it was against the law. He goes on lying and defending his own actions. This act makes him unsuitable to be our leader. The least he could do is accept his mistake, give back the land and apologize for taking the nation for granted.

  121. The worst article that I have ever read on your blog!

  122. I found this on Kuenselonline forum and wanted to share with the fans of OL and PM. It is a kidu letter addressed to PM from a person called Kumbu. Enjoy!

    Dear Kidugi Pham Hon’ble Lyonchen,
    With humble prayers, I would like to lay down the following kidus:
    1. I want to offer my land in Paro for government’s projects but it falls under rural category, can i request for Hon’ble Lyonchen’s intervention and ask the govt. to buy my land at urban rate.
    2. I am not from Mongar nor do i have any plans to open a shop, but could you ask the Dzongdag to grant me a piece of land in Gyalpozhing. I want to sell it in the future.
    3. My nephew is class 12 passed and currently unemployed, maybe you could ask your son to employ him in the education city. By the way i still have my doubts whether the education city is viable or not.
    4. The riverview owner promised me a commission if he gets the Trowa land. I need your support Kidugi Pham.
    5. My cousin from Tashigang is a well trained driver, he recently retired from govt. service. Can you give him a job as a driver when the Chinese buses gets here.
    Lastly, for this kind act of yours, you have my support for GNH lifelong ambassador seat.
    Kadrinchey la Kidugi Pham

  123. The case is very simple. PAVA rate for compensation should be followed. Interference in of the cabinet makes the case complex and political. It’s not about East or West. It’s about PM being from there and maximum land owned by PM’s aunty. Such things happen everywhere. But Bhutan democracy is different and should not allow such things to happen here. If people, from PG or Hejo feel they have been victims they should take their case to Court. Cabinet should stay out of it. So simple.

  124. With the ACC report out and with the names included in that list that were allotted plots there, I am guessing that we won’t hear any more of the Gyelpozhing land scam from the OL.

  125. Definitely, OL will keep his mouth shut now. He would have been very vocal and outspoken if only PM and Lyonpo YZ were mentioned. Now, he knows that it is more than that. He lost his case.

  126. Dear Guardian and Observer,

    I think we should let OL and Tenzing Lamsang be. We knew all along that their cause was not the pursuit of truth but of vilification and spread of smear against persons against whom they could not win by fair means.

    However, Tenzing Lamsang and OL are so intent on evil that they will not inform their gullible supporters that ACC is merely an investigative agency and not a law onto itself. THEY DO NOT HAVE JURISDICTIVE POWERS. They did their investigations as best as they could – with grit and fairness and I applaud them for that. As per norm, they have submitted their findings to the Office of the Attorney General. Now, it will be up to the OAG to study the findings and determine whether the findings of the investigations merit further action. They will study whether there is any basis to their conclusions. If there is, they will submit the matter to the Courts, on behalf of the state – first with the Dzongkhag Court, the High Court and, ultimately, the Supreme Court.

    Only simple fellows like Tenzing Lamsang and the OL will hope that it will appeal to their equally simple minded and gullible supporters that the case is as simple and straightforward as they say – that land grab has happened. That shows their naivety and total lack of experience and worldly wisdom.

    Democracy is here to stay and there is no turning back. If we are to make a success of it, we have to recognize destructive forces when we see one and be prepared to defend the honor of our country and the leaders we elect.

  127. Prool,

    But I can’t help but get the feeling that TL has achieved his goal of making the people even more suspicious of the RGOB and the Royal family, after all this seems to have been his goal all the while.

    As for OL, I just don’t know if he shares the same sentiments as TL.

  128. Dear Guardian,

    I totally agree that Tenzing Lamsang had always intended to bring disrepute to the governance under the monarchy and that is why he kept on digging into the past. But I do not believe that the OL is that treacherous.

    I believe that OL did not stop long enough to think through what he was doing when he hero worshiped Tenzing Lamsang blindly and supported him in his wanton spread of malice and misinformation. If anything, this only proves that the OL has many, many years before he has the requisite wisdom and experience to head a government and manage a country.

    But now I am sure the OL will have the good sense to stop because he is for sure aware where all that has ended up. God save this country from people like Tenzing Lamsang. Unfortunately, some of the Bhutanese people are responsible for creating a monster like him. Tenzing Lamsang is a product of sycophancy.

    Tenzing Lamsang will get what he deserves .. it may be a while but there is no escaping the day of judgment. Sad thing is, before that time arrives, there will be lot more casualties to lament over.

    I hope true Bhutanese have learnt a lesson in all this – that it is best to let the dry aadum be.

  129. media watcher and whistler says:

    Prool your last line about The bhutanese learning a lesson sounds more than hollow to me. .. . i hope the govt and citizens of this country who wur in favor of the PM’s justification on Gyepshing had learnt a lesson from the ACC report! it just confirmed that media reports on the scam was nothing but the truth! no malignin the gov nor the PM. just fact reportin!!!

  130. media watcher and whistler says:

    Media watcher and whistler
    And your star and demi-god Tenzing Lamsang is balanced in his reporting? If the Observer has not featured articles on the Gyelpoizhing case, obviously they understand that the matter is under investigation and there are competent authorities and institutions to pass judgments on the matter. Unlike your hero Tenzing Lamsang, the editor at the Observer knows that it is unethical to pass judgment on something that you are not empowered to or is outside your mandate.

    bwahahahahahaahhahaha!!!!!! go eat poop prool!

  131. Here are the two Kidu letters written by Kumbu and Kumbu II addressed to the PM of Bhutan.

    First Letter by Kumbu:

    Dear Kidugi Pham Hon’ble Lyonchen,

    With humble prayers, I would like to lay down the following kidus:

    1. I want to offer my land in Paro for government’s projects but it falls under rural category, can i request for Hon’ble Lyonchen’s intervention and ask the govt. to buy my land at urban rate.

    2. I am not from Mongar nor do i have any plans to open a shop, but could you ask the Dzongdag to grant me a piece of land in Gyalpozhing. I want to sell it in the future.

    3. My nephew is class 12 passed and currently unemployed, maybe you could ask your son to employ him in the education city. By the way i still have my doubts whether the education city is viable or not.

    4. The riverview owner promised me a commission if he gets the Trowa land. I need your support Kidugi Pham.

    5. My cousin from Tashigang is a well trained driver, he recently retired from govt. service. Can you give him a job as a driver when the Chinese buses gets here.

    Lastly, for this kind act of yours, you have my support for GNH lifelong ambassador seat.
    Kadrinchey la Kidugi Pham

    Second letter by Kumbu II:

    Dear Kidugi Pham Hon’ble Lyonchhen,

    I beg your forgiveness, as we have no one to turn to for all our Kidus. I once again with humble prayers and folded hands would like to lay down the following kidus:

    1. My wife has been trying for a U.S. Visa for the last 8 years. She wants to go and work there for as a nanny. We heard that Lyonchhen is visiting the US soon for the UN General Assembly meeting. Please, can you include my wife on the entourage list.

    2. The 2013 Elections are around the corner and there will be a lot of money to be made in election related advertisements. I want Lyonchhen’s blessings to start a private newspaper and for this kind act of yours we will work tirelessly defending the DPT government and promoting your personal interests. On your part you have to ensure that you strangulate the existing private newspapers that are actually conveying the truth.

    3. I think there is some truth when people say MoFA stands for Ministry of Family Affairs. I have a son working in Home Ministry and would like to request Kidugi Pham Lyonchhen to transfer him to MoFA. My family is not related to you but we can definitely kiss ass. I heard that you reward such people.

    4. My niece has done the Japanese language course and is currently jobless. Can you please ask your daughter to employ my niece in her tour company that specializes in Japanese tourists. My niece can even speak fluent Chinese (just in case).

    For this kind act of yours I will ask my friends in the US to lobby for an international award for you or better still we will put international pressure on Bhutan to make you the Lifelong GNH Ambassador.

    Thank you.

  132. Just waiting for the OL to come up with a post on the ACCs report and his recommendations as to what should be done to all the people that have been allotted land there.

  133. Two Wrongs don’t make a Right. We know it must have happened. Those entrusted (ministers and govt officials) with task must have offered land to the Royalties just so that they themselves escape corruption charges. Anyway our Royalties don’t have to stand for elections but the ministers have to.

    Our democracy is to be special so we have to ensure our politicians are clean. Let us make Elections 2013 theme “Clean Politicians for a Successful Democracy”

  134. I check OL’s blog everyday, in anticipation of a totally befitting recommendation on the ACC’s finding on Gylapozhing Land casse, but for the past couple of days, I have been logging off disappointed with his silence.

  135. media watcher and whistler

    This is reference to the second of your last two comments. It is obvious that you have no idea about what is happening. Read y following lines above: “However, Tenzing Lamsang and OL are so intent on evil that they will not inform their gullible supporters that ACC is merely an investigative agency and not a law onto itself”.

    ACC merely investigated the case and submitted their findings. The matter now has to go to the courts – should the OAG find that there is merit in their findings.

    You do understand or does it still escape you? Don’t be too quick to count your chickens before they are hatched.

  136. Yes, I do agree that OL should post a new topic on ACC’s findings and the of the Gyelpozhing’s land scam and he must tell us what should happen hereafter. Remember, he promptly posted every issue on this blog about PM and the governnment. If he does not do this time, there is only one reason and everyone knows that. All the while, I have been saying, “it is better to look ahead and prepare rather than to look back and regret”.

  137. ProOl, Observer and Guardian,
    Now we are very much convinced that you are some of the DPT paid ***** to write on OL’s blog. How can you support P.M and His Govt. at this height even after Acc’s findings. Its crystal clear that your bosses were wrong and why don’t you three monkeys accept the finding.

    For me and other Bhutanese citizens, things are very clear after Acc’s finding. And please stop attacking Ol and Tl. They are there for building democracy and not like you guys. You have sold yourself to DPT.

    The coming elections will certainly give your answer. Please pray for your employers.

  138. You and Your DPT Govt. is responsible for all these failure.

    1) IT Park, (It was assured by some of the Ministers that IT park shall create employment for more then 10000 Bhutanese and now we see this as a fail project.

    2) Labor Minister talking to make Panbang a sports city, (A big lie by some one who is learning politics now)

    3) DPT do not respect constitution and the freedom of Press, by accusing Tenzin lamsang as Pro DPT

    4) No concrete solution for Lottery Scam

    5) Domestic Airport (Costing Govt. so much and affecting the GDP)

    6) Tobacco Ban, (Victim 72 people)

    7) Education City (Which will be a real big flop, we need to focus on our primary education and remote schools)

    8) Ruppee Crunch (You even defended by saying that all Bhutanese is responsible)

    9) Drug Shortage and health minister itself is a big problem.

    10) Hydro power corruption, but every bhutanese knows that there is scam in even hydro plants.

    11) GNH Centre, which will cost govt. more then USD 20 Million.

    12) So many procurements corruption.

    13) Bhutanese been deprived to so many big projects on Qualification and experienced ground.

    14) RTI Act

    15) Selling USD 200 Million from the Reserve

    16) Pedestrian Day (An Executive order)

    16) So much of Land Scam involving the present DPT leaders.
    and so many……………

    This happened because people like you have trusted your elected leaders in every thing. I was one of the DPT voters but this coming election, PDP might not win but we bhutanese will make sure that your DPT doesn’t win.

  139. Prool, true bhutanese learned a lesson from this?

    The only thing we learned is there are so many people with insatiable greed in this country.

    Lets see what ACC/OAG does next. Its been believed that if the OAG fails to do a proper job, ACC can well take over the case and do the OAG’s job. We have heard about one too many people getting prosecuted for minor crimes in comparison to this. If anything, this case shall prove us whether there is a double standard in our justice system or not.

    The only people who learned a lesson are the ones listed on that ACC list. Some of them may be untouchable right now, but hopefully they will now think twice before committing such shameful acts in future.

  140. media watcher and whistler says:

    Prool . .. thats what i am talking about. Evry tom dick an harry knows the procedure. the case has to be forawrded by ACC to OAG. Now that the OAG obviously being the government’s lawyer there is every chance of a conflict of interest! and people like you are surely counting on that !!! . . i think theres a need for an independent law firm to prosecute this case ..that is if the draconian government doesnt pull any strings to make sure the case is not procecuted!!!

  141. media watcher and whistler says:

    this is nothing to do with the OL nor Tenzing Lamsang! OL is a politician and lamsang is a journalist doing their jobs. this is about ACC- a constitutional body that has submitted its findings to the OAG. It is very clear from the findings that govt officials have broken the law of the land! ACC is not just ‘merely and investigaiton agency’. .. as you put it. you have a lot of research to do. thats why i say. . go eat poop!

  142. The RGOB has no case to answer, this happened in 2002 when we were under a monarchy. DPT came to power only in 2008. The only people that can be charged for wrongdoing is the land allotment committee under the chairmanship of the current speaker during his tenure as the Monagr Dzongda.

    Let’s see how we are going to prosecute everyone that got land there illegally, I don’t think even the OL wants that, that’s why, only stone deaf silence from him.

  143. waiwaii! What happened to you OL? Did you lose your appetite for controversy?

  144. What do we get digging into the past? I have never hold this government responsible for anything that happened during the Monarchy. I have always wanted and still want to rejoice the era of Monarchy especially after celebrating The Centenary as a very peaceful time but there are people who want to dig in and create chaos.
    Because I find no solution to the past problems we must not dig out.
    What we see it as a corruption now would have not been one in the past. And we must remember we lived in a very different circumstances then.
    OL has been silent for a very long time now. His demi-god Lamsang had succeeded in creating doubts in the minds of innocent public but looks like he will not want to demystify that, and rather must be pondering over how to gain from the troubled water.
    If we run a corruption check against all the people for last ten or 20 years, I doubt if anybody would come up clean including the OL and many masters of Tenzin Lamsang.

    Regards to ACC report, it has only investigated the case but it did not and do have the right to pass verdict. Until court passes verdict people who are accused of corruption remain accused or not guilty. Even if ACC prosecute the accused themselves , they will have to try it in the court. And the court pass a judgement.

  145. typing error please – ACC do not have the right to pass verdict.

  146. To OL, TL and all, there is absolutely no point in digging the storries of the past. How far are we going to dig the past? Let’s focus on the events that took place after the creation of ACC and onset of democracy in the country. What happened in the past happened under different circumstances. Even OL or TL would have alotted the Gyelpozhing to those influential people. So, do not accuse the alotment committee too. Do not accuse the beneficiaries either. Bhutan will not gain anything by pursuing with this case further.

  147. ProOL,

    You are damn right, TL is after the members of Royal Family. I think his today’s article titled ‘Gyelpozhing Residents worried about OAG taking over from ACC’ tells it all.

  148. If this case has damaged DPT’s image, it has destroyed PDP’s status.

  149. Jamyang wrote: “Dasho Dr. Gado Tshering on moral ground already resigned. But, what about the second corrupt position holder agriculture secretary Sherub Gyalsthen? The rumor doing the rounds has it that his corrupt instincts can make another headline news if so exposed.”

    I have done a little research and found this:

    Secretary Sherub Gyaltshen has his entire time in the Ministry of Agriculture right from the start of his civil service career.

    He is now an old hand there and as such better known for his extra-ordinary system manipulating corrupt skills.

    People within the MoAF say that if one does not subscribe to his point of questionable personal views, one would ultimately end up playing to the tune of his vindictive music and pay a high price.

    However, all such music would be played not in the interests of the nation, but, however, exclusively for furthering his self interests’ aspect only.

    The MoAF’s civil servants also say that his memoirs in MoAF would have the maximum chapters on his notorious and corrupt habits if so unfolded.

    People also say that if one opens this worm infected can, his story would capture the headline news and in him, ACC may find their next big fish to trawl on

  150. Fellow citizens,
    I think it is not fair that those nominated/elected resort to corrupt practices, when they should be there to provide the maximum benefit in the welfare of the our people in the country- bring development, lift poverty, resolve unemployment, and all other work towards the nation building.
    And if any agency/individual brings out/exposes such act. It is good for our country. So it does not matter that if that agency/individual ‘s personal interest is served as well.

  151. media watcher and whistler says:

    prool .. plz save your …. comments for yourself. How can a journalist be termed as being against the royal family just because his paper ran a story backed with solid evidence. I think the Monarch is above anything in this country and will remain. Its JYT and company spoiling the image of our beloved monarch. TL is not an investigation agency. theres a difference. he is an investigative reporter. It was ACC’s findings that confirmed his media reports. So JYT and LYZ should not be allowed to hold or contest for public office at any cost!!!! Not just them .any politician of this country. be it DPT..PDP..BKP..DCT or DMT .. we need dedicated people not a bunch of dirty rats! please.

  152. media watcher and whistler, the land scam did not happen when these leaders become politicians. PM and his companions did not issue orders to allocate the land in their names. They were simply the benefeciaries. Even you would have accepted a plot if you were offered one. They will be considered corrupt politicians only if they are involved in corruption after 2008. Do not try desperately to remove PM from politics. Leave up to the decision of the people. If the majority wants him for another term, so be it.

  153. Observer,

    The question is how did he and the other influential elites happen to be the beneficiaries? On what ground where they allocatted the land? Did they fulfill any criteria? If it is not a grab, what it is? Criminals are criminals, it doesn’t matter when and where it took place.

    Let the OAG And ACC do their job and say the truth. Until then it is no use accusing each other.

  154. Just look at you .two sides, one trying to defend and the other defame.
    Do not underestimate the intelligence of the people.we have eyes that see and ears that hear well enough without both of you trying to influence us.
    Listen and listen well if you want our vote.
    We want peace and stability (I am not sure you are coercing people into a civil war by forcing people to take sides)
    We want jobs for our youth ( how can you give us that when all the focus and attention is on land scams etc.)
    We want implementation to follow vision (that you do by putting systems into place )
    We want accountability not witch hunting.
    We want senior citizens to be respected and cared for
    We want ……(will follow) must get on with my daily chores

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